Willpower

Our actions were not intended to impact your community negatively, we're not unknowingly doing that either. It was a one time discussion about a topic that's strictly scientific and it was turned into a moral issue despite our great care in making sure to not word in a way that has any underlying implication of oppression. It was all in your heads because your ideology fosters you lot to be wrathful and resentful, you refuse any form of scrutiny or viewpoints that oppose your indoctrination.

I don't know how you can be so severely lacking in self awareness that you can say about a person that they're "simple" and self motivated, this is an extremely condescending statement and I have no clue how you can say all that with a straight face as if we have no moral calling of our own. It's almost like I didn't sacrifice energy and long hours of my life standing by your side when you were shooting yourself in the foot but yeah, I guess it's all acting in self interest when all is said and done, somehow.

Yes, we're well aware of the age-old concept of self reflection and we were also gifted with the ability to picture things from a perspective that isn't our own, sight, sound, feeling and everything, human mind is quite impressive. Your entire argument for all of this post is a set of incorrect assumptions that really made us feel the way we do to start with because you should know better as someone who's been at our side for a long time but you somehow turn around and forget all that each time it's convenient to you. I've admitted to being wrong plenty, but there are times when you aren't wrong and this is one of those, telling you that you were right in what you did by any logic would be us being spineless cowards that want to please your ego.

No matter how you slice it up the way you kicked us was uncalled for, if hypothetically you were right about what you were saying about us would that really make it okay for you to toss out so abruptly? Especially after I compromised and entered a community I'm not welcome into by your request, this is what I get for exercising my freedom of speech? Couldn't you have contacted me in confidence and told me this isn't the kind of topics we like to talk here instead of making an example out of me? That's disrespect and if you believe the first thing about what you keep saying about growing you wouldn't be doing it.

I don't recall if I talked about abortions or not but if I did it's because the topic was brought up by one of your friends and it'd be madness if you're insinuating that you only want to hear the pro-choice opinion, that'd be the tyranny you accused me of some while back, just complete intellectual censorship. As for gender, I really struggle to understand why suggesting the possibility that women might be more emotionally inclined than men is undermining their value as people or advocating for their suffering or discrimination against, you take things to unreasonable extremes based on wild uncontrolled assumptions as per left wing doctrine.

Naid shouldn't be uncomfortable, we didn't say anything that calls for her to be, you want to have an echo-chamber hand tailored for her opinions to be uncontested is different from what you have in mind, we're the ones being oppressed because what we talked about was not sexist or something that has any harmful implications, it could be beautiful if it's true because that's the nature of mothers too but of course as it doesn't perfectly match the thing they taught you to get mad for it's utterly unacceptable.

Naid is fine, I don't bear any resentment towards her you just seem keen on fostering an environment where you can't challenge controversial proposals and that's ironically what got you wrongfully hating the way nova was in the first place so don't play the white knight because we weren't saying all that to get her offended, we were having a civil discussion about physiological and psychological claims that are a legitimate point of discussion among scientists. You turned it political and harmful, it's in you.

Also quit with the whole grow up thing please, you've been doing that shit for some years now and it's getting boring, you're the last person who should be talking about maturity considering how hot headed and impulsive you are. I don't need to be hearing that from you nor does Char.

Have a wonderful day.

Can someone please pick me up from school I’ve been waiting for hours.

Oh also Speen I played Persona 5 ^_^ fun game I really enjoyed it
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Naid shouldn't be uncomfortable, we didn't say anything that calls for her to be, you want to have an echo-chamber hand tailored for her opinions to be uncontested is different from what you have in mind, we're the ones being oppressed because what we talked about was not sexist or something that has any harmful implications, it could be beautiful if it's true because that's the nature of mothers too but of course as it doesn't perfectly match the thing they taught you to get mad for it's utterly unacceptable.

Naid is fine, I don't bear any resentment towards her you just seem keen on fostering an environment where you can't challenge controversial proposals and that's ironically what got you wrongfully hating the way nova was in the first place so don't play the white knight because we weren't saying all that to get her offended, we were having a civil discussion about physiological and psychological claims that are a legitimate point of discussion among scientists. You turned it political and harmful, it's in you.

"Naid shouldn't be uncomfortable, we didn't say anything that calls for her to be"

^^^ This is a joke, Mado. This is like.. shit that an abusive parent would say or something. You can't call your unsubstantiated claims about something you know nothing of & have no background in to be "scientific". Why do you so confidently say that? Are you a scientist & I don't know about it? You study the human body? What calls for that?

You can say that what you said wasn't sexist, but just because your intention wasn't to be that, that doesn't mean what you said or how you think isn't. Are you like... aware that you can be certain things without thinking you are? It's like hurting a friend or a family member's feelings. You show no sensitivity whatsoever in this particular area & it just makes it really hard for any self-respecting person to want to be around it. 

What does it say about me if I just allow you & Raven to be as ignorant as you were in my server without repercussions? It wasn't Raven's first time saying things like that in the server. Is it a coincidence to you that everyone in my server gets along & is on the same level? Is it a coincidence that we aren't at stakes with one another? Everyone in there is relaxed & chugging along in their young adult life & there you are saying shit like "ANd WHat oF thIS patRIarChY??" 

What do you think is going to happen when you put no introspective thought into these things you say & then say them to a group of people who believe the complete opposite? 
"ANd WHat oF thIS patRIarChY??" <<<<<< For who's sake do you even say this? How is this in good faith in any way?

Your level of thought you put into this & the other things you say is literally level 1. You're a very smart person, Mado. But that doesn't mean you aren't capable of falling short or being inconsiderate in some ways. 

You say you've apologized before but I cannot remember on one single occasion in all of our time together you saying "I'm sorry" for anything without prompt. I have always apologized first & been held to scrutiny. Our relationship dynamic is I change everything about myself & attempt to grow for the sake of you & others, & you slowly break down the walls you put up but nonetheless remain a skeptic & have little faith. 

You definitely didn't apologize for calling me a "tranny", nobody apologized for telling me to die. Nobody apologized or changed their opinion in 3 years for shitting on me for coming out about a 28 year old grooming me at age 17 in your chat 

In fact, I ENDED UP APOLOGIZING. It was me who said I'm sorry to Pitou, it was me who apologized to you & Tam. I reached out. I grew. You have not done that once & I don't want to hear shit about you saying you apologized because you fucking didn't. You still sit on your high horse & never back down on even shit you said or did YEARS AGO. Why do you still think you're right? Why do you still place all blame on me like I was completely in the wrong? This is why I say grow up, Mado. Seriously, grow the fuck up. It's so pathetic & I hate this so much about you

You're someone who would probably be completely content if everyone in your whole life left you & that is just so sad dude

I won't be having a long winded back and forth with you because I decided to cool my head when it comes to these things and not take part in fruitless arguments, I'm not even sure if it's worth it to reply hoping that you'll hear a single word of what I'm about to say but here goes.

I would like you to explain why it means anything to Naid when I say women are more emotionally inclined than men, really, touch upon that maybe you can teach my ignorant self how such a thing could possibly mean the things that Naid would be right in feeling uncomfortable about. This is like saying women give birth or feed the infants in our human species, there's no underlying connotation that because of this fact women are whatever sexists and misogynists say about them, I know and have met many tremendously influential women in my life between teachers, peers and my own mother who's among the wisest people I've known in all my years.

This isn't something that should invoke a negative feeling, it's what science uses to explain motherhood and feminine tendencies that make us love them.

As for it being "unsubstantiated" because I'm not a biology student or whatever. Do you need to personally become a disciple of a field to affirm a fact you keep hearing? Do you need to be a doctor to claim that your body needs nutrition between vitamins and other necessities or do you just take the academic authority's word for it?
What about you, Spin? Are you a social scientist such that you can affirm whether what I say has a negative impact on people or not? Or better yet are you a doctor so that you can deny what I claim? Do you see where your argument falls apart?

Let's go with the hypothesis that what I said was indeed unsubstantiated nonsense, what of that? Where's the problem? I'm telling you something that I'm almost certain you've heard multiple times in your life if you do any amount of reading or if you've seen any interviews with people of that expertise. I'm not proposing something outrageous, how is that you treat it almost like a myth I made up myself and one fabricated to oppress women at that?

What does it say about me if I just allow you & Raven to be as ignorant as you were in my server without repercussions? It wasn't Raven's first time saying things like that in the server. Is it a coincidence to you that everyone in my server gets along & is on the same level? Is it a coincidence that we aren't at stakes with one another? Everyone in there is relaxed & chugging along in their young adult life & there you are saying shit like "ANd WHat oF thIS patRIarChY??"

You say this as if I've spent my time on the server preaching propaganda or trying to educate your friends. I was minimally involved and when I spoke it was in response to you, Talon or Char 99% of the time about nerd topics, I felt out of place from the get go but I respected your wish for me to stick around for whatever mysterious reason called for you to take me in. It just so happened that when I found you and the other members casually talking about controversial subjects and being chill with it as well as seeing Char present opposing opinions here and there, I thought free speech was being exercised there and I could've said my piece on something as long as it was said with respect but man was I severely mistaken. 

I don't claim to be infallible, never have. This is projection and you know that you're accusing me of having a big ego because I'm calling you out on things you're uncomfortable with accepting.

I know what and how I am, doing wrong by someone is something I can't live with and it torments me until I go to them and apologize more than necessary until I knew I mended their heart, I have countless friends who can attest to that and I'm confident of that. I have apologized to you numerous times when I made a mistake but none counts for you because the only apologies that count for you is when I swallow my dignity and enable any stubborn perspective you have, that's the idea of compromise to you.

You do change, you take 1 step forward and 3 back. Like most of what changed about your speech compared to before is that you now act like you've seen it all and look at me from above because I harbor beliefs that differ from yours on topics that you were indoctrinated to believe in strongly and with complete blindness to any possibility that they're unfounded. Arrogance does not make you more mature, it makes you a smaller person.

The only reason I didn't apologize for calling you tranny is because I didn't remember that when we "made up". Sorry for calling you a tranny. It's uncalled for to use derogatory words even when you're under pressure and being disrespected. This doesn't mean that I support your decision to be transgender though, I support you as a person and as a former friend, I will never support something that in my view ruins people's lives and I'm entitled to that view as my human right to freedom of speech and thought. If you're not willing to have an appropriate academic conversation about the details of that don't be coming to me with your dogmatic approach of "believe this or you're an uncivilized savage", it only makes you sound like an extremist.

In fact, I ENDED UP APOLOGIZING. It was me who said I'm sorry to Pitou, it was me who apologized to you & Tam. I reached out. I grew. You have not done that once & I don't want to hear shit about you saying you apologized because you fucking didn't. You still sit on your high horse & never back down on even shit you said or did YEARS AGO. Why do you still think you're right? Why do you still place all blame on me like I was completely in the wrong? This is why I say grow up, Mado. Seriously, grow the fuck up. It's so pathetic & I hate this so much about you

I'm uncertain what you're saying I think I'm still right about here but if you mean to the situation between you and Pitou, I hold the same stance. You were both in the wrong and that's a fact in my mind, you were a man capable of knowing the risks of what he's about to get himself into, you were scoffing at Tam for cybering and taking romantic interest in other people while you were double dating yourself, I'm simply completely unconvinced that you're merely an abuse victim here and that you're not responsible for the mistake you made with Pitou.

You're someone who would probably be completely content if everyone in your whole life left you & that is just so sad dude

I'd be content if you stopped using the forums of my community to voice your complaints about things that were laid to rest as if you're entitled to having yourself heard after making the decision to leave the community behind you over and over.

Contribute positively or leave us in peace.

acting cute is not argument but ill let it slide this time