Misconceptions of Lunastorm

Alright so I'm back again to discuss further on more misconception. This time I'm going to discuss about the Lunastorm server and what it has been and how Spin has been going about it and such. There's just too much weird hostility and nonsense vibes that are coming from this and I'm hoping to at least fill in others who are not up to speed on this conflict and don't want certain people continuing to spread lies about others especially those who completely aren't even associated with this at all. 

Just as I've made it clear about myself it goes the same for the other people within Lunastorm that nobody is in some kind of cult against Nova. The main conflicts are between only certain individuals and groups have nothing to do with anything. Think about it like this; just because some of you have an idea about something does it mean I should just group all of nova as if they are under the same agenda? Of course not because people there are all there for different reasons as well as obviously their own person just simply there to chill. I understand that there's people within Lunastorm that also probably do the same to Nova but I'm also addressing this here to help fix this convoluted mindset. 

Now I'll state that Lunastorm was NOT made to swag Nova at all, it has its own purpose. Yes it is understandable to be suspicious given the fact it is named similar to Novastorm and yes people within luna have addressed how dumb the name is. So to clear the air of suspicion I'm going to lay it down right now that this group is of its own and has no hostile intent to do anything towards Nova so please relax. The conflicts are between only certain individuals not entire groups. Let me express again how it makes 0 sense to follow this mindset as u are also labeling completely innocent bystanders to some kind of stereotype that doesn't fit them. 

We are aware of how both Nova and Luna has people who keep up with what's being said between chats. In terms of things being said related to Nova, it purely stems from the main people who are affiliated with the conflict. As far as I can tell, literally nobody else within luna care enough to jump in and comment much. Spin didn't want the server to revolve around this conflict, it was moreso people such as myself who had a lot of things to express and say and so to try his best to minimize the spread of speaking about it he condensed it into one channel so other people would not be caught in the crossfire. In addition to that, he eventually decided to cut it out entirely and made an outside group for just these main people to completely minimize talk of nova. So for those who are saying Luna is just some social justice place meant to scream about how Nova is evil that is very far from the truth. Please do not extend your labels from your initial targets towards these other people, they are all kind and don't deserve this hostility. 

We don't care personally if people in Nova wishes to look upon the luna server any body is welcome it's not like we're in some secret group so there's no real need to be sneaky about it. I still feel as if people have certain issues they are confused about they should just confront said people instead of just saying random things. I know the same could be said for some people within Luna but again I'm not affiliated with them. I'm here as an individual but the steady increase of random bs going around is really uncomfortable and I dislike how it effects certain others. 

In the end the point I'm trying to make as well as make some people realize is that this is a personal problem between certain people. This isn't a clash of organizations. To people unrelated to this conflict please don't just immediately follow a line of hostility. If you wish to understand more speak to whoever is involved on both ends before making an immediate judgement against a former friend. I've already spoken and clarified myself as much as I could to some people so far to help minimize the hostility in general. 

Please communicate and listen as well as try to open yourselves to understand. Most of us grew up tight together in chat and I don't wish for that bond to just sever that easily.

charizardf1 wrote:Just as I've made it clear about myself it goes the same for the other people within Lunastorm that nobody is in some kind of cult against Nova. The main conflicts are between only certain individuals and groups have nothing to do with anything. Think about it like this; just because some of you have an idea about something does it mean I should just group all of nova as if they are under the same agenda? Of course not because people there are all there for different reasons as well as obviously their own person just simply there to chill. I understand that there's people within Lunastorm that also probably do the same to Nova but I'm also addressing this here to help fix this convoluted mindset. 

We've seen conversations that prove the opposite with terrible things said about multiple members. Be it exaggerated or not you have a whole channel called "war-hq" dedicated to saying awful things at LUna, don't even try to deny it because it's documented and can be posted upon asking.

I don't blame the neutral parties of lunastorm for anything but it's pretty much proven that the majority of those who used to go to Nova had said some saddening mockery about many of our remaining members.

charizardf1 wrote:Now I'll state that Lunastorm was NOT made to swag Nova at all, it has its own purpose. Yes it is understandable to be suspicious given the fact it is named similar to Novastorm and yes people within luna have addressed how dumb the name is. So to clear the air of suspicion I'm going to lay it down right now that this group is of its own and has no hostile intent to do anything towards Nova so please relax. The conflicts are between only certain individuals not entire groups. Let me express again how it makes 0 sense to follow this mindset as u are also labeling completely innocent bystanders to some kind of stereotype that doesn't fit them. 

It was made conveniently in the time I was experiencing enormous stress and had to take a week off, when I had returned I was told by people that a new server was made and that a lot of "friends" were saying unthinkable things about me daily, some of which were entirely uninvolved with the problem and were simply flowing with that current of negativity.

The name matters so little and I don't mind it if every online chatroom in the world was called somethingstorm, it's just a detail people found funny for how people in luna were with nova as, once again, proven by seeing it directly. When some of you officially declare being done with the chat but then talk about it frequently in a bad manner despite it being composed majorly of members that were taken from and having a knock-off name even though you've witnessed the chat poke fun at all these storm chats that would be born each time someone didn't like Nova's moderation methods.

You don't have to worry about the new people Spin brought by himself being accused of anything cause that's not happening,  that's only about you and many others that used to come to Nova.

charizardf1 wrote:We don't care personally if people in Nova wishes to look upon the luna server any body is welcome it's not like we're in some secret group so there's no real need to be sneaky about it. I still feel as if people have certain issues they are confused about they should just confront said people instead of just saying random things. I know the same could be said for some people within Luna but again I'm not affiliated with them. I'm here as an individual but the steady increase of random bs going around is really uncomfortable and I dislike how it effects certain others.

Oh, we're well aware it's no secret, Spin tried to snag about everybody that didn't directly oppose him including Onox, I'm sure he'd love to see me come to his server then "concede and reconcile" for him to get a "twisted sense of satisfaction".

charizardf1 wrote:In the end the point I'm trying to make as well as make some people realize is that this is a personal problem between certain people. This isn't a clash of organizations. To people unrelated to this conflict please don't just immediately follow a line of hostility. If you wish to understand more speak to whoever is involved on both ends before making an immediate judgement against a former friend. I've already spoken and clarified myself as much as I could to some people so far to help minimize the hostility in general. 

There's no point in hiding how things are for the other people who're looking at this from the outside because they've also heard about what really goes on in lunastorm and decided by themselves that they don't condone what's being done there. Nobody was forced, all we did was tell them what you guys did and said then they made their own mind up about it.

charizardf1 wrote:Please communicate and listen as well as try to open yourselves to understand. Most of us grew up tight together in chat and I don't wish for that bond to just sever that easily.

We'd be willing to communicate with respect and transparency as soon as you tell things for what they are.

Rowlie's story is fairly exaggerated as is the known purpose of these comedic stories and it's meant to poke fun at things if it has a side of truth to it so don't take every detail in it too literally.

That thread was long severed and flushed down the toilet when many of you said they were done with Nova and said things that friends of 7 years would not say. I advise you to move on and enjoy the community Spin made for you guys and leave Nova alone because the things that were said probably left a permanent scar on many novapals and I don't see them getting over it without a sincere heartfelt apology.

Nova has been in relative peace at any moment lunastorm's talk about us is not the subject and everyone is kind of enjoying that, had it been possible I'd hit a rewind button and go back to how things used to be long before but you guys made your decision and we made ours, it's best to part ways if you really don't feel like you have things to take responsibility for.

Have a wonderful life and build a healthy community, I'll treasure the time of back when friendship had real value to us.

You again are grouping me with others. If you’re saying u have proof of things why not utilize it? Everything I’ve said within the war he has strictly been speaking of exact situations that has happened. What the others say is of no relevance to me at all. People within Nova has deadass directly said things like “fuck anybody that goes to Luna” and such. You yourself comment about how the place is an abomination and such. Then you also have people making fun of others within the server as well. Within Luna it’s only relevant people staying involved in this yet you have all these other people hiving in with no type of knowledge and just following your words labeling us as some type of traitors.

I’ve asked multiple times what exactly have I done to deserve this but I continue to not get any real answers. I was gone for only a month throughout the month of January bc I had training and chatango was more of an inconvenience so I didn’t bother logging but as soon as I come back randomly ppl r labeling me traitor and making up all these things without even attempting to listen to the truth of things. I go about addressing certain things and instead of people wanting to be civil and try to resolve and talk it out I have people insulting me, ignoring my words, and a steady continuation of slander.

You people keep confusing this whole thing as a fight/drama. You’re the only people making it out as that. All I’ve been trying o do was reach out and actually speak and inform you people but nobody’s been mature enough to do that. I’ve been able to speak to a couple people so far who seemed to be reasonable and understanding and while we probably had some disagreements we ended the note of realizing that we’re still friends and this situation is too stupid to break friendships over. I’ve had very good moments with most people over the years and y’all are willing to just discard it all bc ur too prideful and want to believe yourselves so hard and have people feel sorry for you. You seem to take every little disagreement against you too far and confuse it as some type of hostile act. I really want you to 100% prove what I’ve done to anybody throughout this entire thing.

Everything I’ve said in tht war hq for the most part was alrdy addressed in the past forum posts. I have nothing to hide nor care enough to have some type of plot against people. I’ve always been direct about every situation I’ve been involved in.

The only reason I’ve been away now is because I’ve been driven out by y’all’s own toxicity. In war hq express hard about my confusion and why things are happening this way. I had a similar thing happen time years ago when AJ accused me of being a part of this 0minization doxing and I returned banned very confused of the situation.

You are spreading this issue to other people for no reason. Is it your job as admin to spread hate due to your own perspective of things? You're creating a hive against us when instead you shouldn’t even be letting other people entertain it when it’s supposed to be your job as admin to keep conflicting matters at bay. What have I done to these other people for them to also conjure these negative thoughts?

I keep asking questions yet instead of getting a proper response instead I just get a scattered joint of individuals with random thoughts with their belief on “hey I’m guessing this is what char is doing.” Why has nobody been mature about this and simply confronted me about their issue of confusion and just jump the gun on hate? Why do i have random people blocking me for no particular reason? Why is it everytime I ask questions nobody wishes to answer?

This whole conflict literally started because people wanted to address certain things and discuss it but it’s been blown into you crying out like we’ve done something to you. Everything in which I’ve actually done in the past I’ve alrdy taken accountable for. For y’all however, me speaking only to those directly associated, refuse to be accountable for things and instead only wish to continue spreading hostility and refuse to listen to a thing anyone against you is saying.

My stance was completely brought out from other posts but I’m still having people like you and such that still say the most random things when the answer is already in front of you. I’ll again express that I’ve not been disrespectful, insulted or even brought anybody else into this conflict. I’ve kept it between the main people within us.

Everything I’ve laid out was already me telling things for what they are but you’re so stubborn and refuse to take in anything being said. You want so hard to believe only in what comes out of your head. I don’t know how many different ways I’ve already explained everything so far to you. In the end you just want me to tell you what you want to hear instead of the actual truth. You keep acting like people are doing things to you and nova but as I’ve said before this isn’t some group issue you’re the only one trying to make it that way by involving your whole community in this with their scattered opinions making things even more complicated.

Nova is only “peaceful” right now because one of your main problem persons has gotten rid of her counterpart to not conjure random scenarios against anymore. The only main problem inducers were literally only Spin and Tam in which was in fact always were consistent main center points of conflicts. I know you refuse to acknowledge this but it doesn’t matter anyways. Talon and I especially have never created any real problem, only jumped in and have our opinions just like everybody else within the community but we get swagged because we’re big figures in the community.

In the end I’m not the one pushing friendships away and such thats you and the environment your trying to make. I’ve been nonstop trying to reach out and simply talk to people so they can stop being silly and hostile over such trivial things but it’s only yall that persist to stay hostile and keep getting riled and hurt over your own thoughts. I have not betrayed anyone y’all are the ones betraying me by not cooperating and trying to reach a valid resolution point. If you and whoever else simply don’t like me or any other said people you’re against just say that instead of conjuring all these scenarios against us then I’ll gladly just quit trying to reach out anymore and leave y’all with your random hostility.

I've been very careful with wording what I said and your takeaway is that I'm saying all of the people in lunastorm are equally malicious. I don't recall saying anywhere that you were doing the same thing as Talon or Spin anywhere, you're welcome to provide screens of it if you have proof yourself. You're guilty of saying things like "nova is bland without us" and on top of that you above all things you could've said you frequent a place where Nova is often slandered, you have many things to say about what we say about luna but not what luna says about nova.

You need to make up your mind on whether you're working with your individual thoughts or being supportive of luna's because at one moment you say to stop slandering the server itself but then you imply that you're not with them on what they say.

I think they and I have all the right to call luna the things we call it because they started that when initially I even said I don't care if people go to a new place and they can be happy wherever they want to be but you guys continued to say horrible things about and it then extended to other people. Seeing the stance people like Naid and Stew took came completely out of left field and I really wouldn't have expected people like them to do what they did.

Calling the members besides you, Spin and whoever "bland" and the place uninteresting in your absence is an insult and you don't have to act so confused that people took it personally, that's pretty much saying you're "nothing without me". I don't know how you expected people to take this, it was very obvious that saying things like this while distancing yourself from nova is just a clear indication that you're supporting what Spin is doing whether you state that yourself or not.

I've discussed why my treatment towards you changed with you multiple times. I think you gradually changed as a person towards the worse by associating yourself with certain people who were very bad influence on you. I think opposing moderation each time a problem person needs to be dealt with and encouraging people to do harmful things and "let their darkness flow" following the idea of moral relatively and that everything is only right or wrong if you think it is wasn't what the chat needed and you wanted your unique take on things that didn't help things progress forward to be heard when I desperately needed to solve things in a quick fair way holding people responsible based on what they did and what we know of their mindset you only made things more complicated by taking sides. I was holding Zero and Tam equally responsible for the things they HAVE done and what they have done prior to that point but you'd chime in and say things like "I know tam's real intentions and how sneaky she's being" which is clear bias knowing the kind of person you're defending has a reputation for taking part in gossip warfare frontlines and even trolling the person you liked before until she snapped entirely and left which I, by the way, took the responsbility for on youtopia and everybody was disgusted at me for something I had no control over. Joe, Swamp, Chick, Austin and Sara were all disappointed in me because of what you told them about what Nova did to Tiff even though you're aware Zero and the gang did that and now you're supporting Zero's side entirely despite that just because Tam had a rough start with you. Regardless what you think of Tam supporting him so strongly only shows that you have a lousy judgement and put more weight to your whim driven opinions than they have. Once you start taking things more seriously and objectively you could expect people to begin listening to you.


How do we confuse anything to be a fight when you guys quite literally have a channel dedicated to discussing what you hate about nova and we don't? We bring up luna on occassion when one of you guys makes noise again while you've been discussing nova for long months with no breaks.

I hold onto my relationships dearly and I think I proved that multiple times throughout the history of Nova so you gotta go figure that when things go to this extent something has to be awfully wrong and you probably have something to reflect on and take the initiative in some way that isn't trying to make the people who held you close to them feel guilty about calling you out for your wrong decisions once.

There's no plotting on luna, only being drunk on the idea that nova's paying the price of doing you guys dirty and expanding as nova shrinks and wilts. That's the kinda idea we got from all the mockery we've seen in that place.

If you call standing up to you and not letting you taking the side of a person who's proven multiple times how little he values our friendship but only keeps returning because he has nowhere else that'd accept his self centered immature character by going to his obvious take over chat "toxicity" I'm not sure what to say to that, sounds more like you don't like being told that you're making a bad decision because that's exactly how you reacted the first time I was vocal about how you were making Tam out to be a pity seeking evil and Zero to be the good innocent guy in it you went and actually tried to get AOC goons to come and spam her pics in nova for revenge. Shameless.

I apologized profusely and you accepted it when AJ convinced me that you were behind the "0minization attacks", the reason I came to believe that then was because you were suspicious keeping close contact with Ramp and 0mi who were onto some shit at the time, I'm sure you'll ask "why don't you just inquire from me about the truth of things?" I don't think it makes sense to expect someone you suspect to be involved to answer that truthfully and it would've made more sense for you to clear up your name and say you weren't behind all that.

My chatroom's not some kind of public chat for a game hub or some place that needs to be moderated as though people don't know one another. This is a group for friends and they need to be let known what their longtime friends are doing behind their backs, and none of it is slander, literally everything we said you guys did we have screens for. Luna can feel free to fill the lifeless subreddit with strict rules niche but my chat will continue to have transparency and stay close to one another.

As for the blocking and ignoring I already answered above, you said things that implied you're too good for us and that we should've been thankful to have you and Talon around. You didn't say that explicitly before you start calling slander but that's the idea one would get when you go to an opposing server and then call your friends "bland".

This isn't some kind of warfare against your person, you have to take into consideration the fact that Talon and Spin give you a bad name in association because you see what they do and say but still hang out with them and don't try to stop them from saying the things they say.

If you're going to take the side of people who're known to be trolls when the person they're trolling has said that she's suffering from a condition I think it's for me to enjoy the fact that these people are gone. You choose to focus on her knowing that and then you can't even turn your face towards Spin who's quite literally making her go crazy by holding her hostage and invoking an emotion response in telling her that their romance could've blossomed into something then the other day he's investigating the possiblity of her being actually male and catfishing people because she didn't immediately burst into tears and fall into his arms for saying his sad story with her. Some niceguy shit. You even entertained that and went to the lengths of calling her "Timothy" which completely invalidates the idea of you being unbiased.

If you really mean to make it so we don't give up on Spin and that he's still worth befriending despite his flaws that's honorable but why wouldn't you do the same thing with Tam? That's not neutrality. Though with you and him in a new place now we don't have to engage in arguments anymore because clearly any time Spin is still around the bug in him will force him to repeat the cycle and put the chat in a gloomy mood for it.

"Talon and I especially have never created any real problem, only jumped in and have our opinions just like everybody else within the community but we get swagged because we’re big figures in the community." That's fair though, the closer you are to people the more weight your statement would hold. As older friends you'd be the people we expect to have our back and not be in complete opposition with us, helping the people who want to harm the well being of the chat and criminalizing the people who just want to come and enjoy a chat.

Trying to hold discussion over and over is not enough, you need to acknowledge what you're doing wrong and reflect upon it and if you do that you may in good faith also criticize your friends' decisions in a way that isn't a bitchy gossip war of "see tam or whoever for how evil they are or I'm gonna continue to be passive aggressive and help the other person get a laugh each time they show up".

That's a very juvenile sentiment, I think I and many people of nova have shown you and Talon a good side of ourselves for long years and it should be obvious that we won't just "dislike you" just bc. There's a good justification for that and I keep explaining it for what's true of it whether you wanna agree with that or not.

I'm not kicking you out or doing a childish get out of my club move, I'm just advising you to do what would weigh less on your mind if you think you can't agree with this and will keep trying to convince me that 0mi did nothing wrong, Spin's actually improved and seeks the betterment of Nova despite all things he's said and done and that Tam is using the pity she doesn't even get to her advantage to manipulate people. Remove bias and pride from your mind or move on.

Char i think Mado and Mitch have been more than tolerant to you people. At the end of the day you said you didn't like Nova anymore. You "quit" Nova and then joined that other meme community that was very resentful to both Mado and Nova in general.

You persist with using the Nova forums, which were designed for Novastormers. If you're not a Novastormer anymore why are you posting here? You disliked the community so much you completely abandoned it, yet you still post here. 

Mitch and Mado serve their community. They're admins of NOVASTORM. It really shouldn't be their job to pander to you when you have already left. They have both said they're supportive of your choice to leave Nova. They haven't chased you out or begged you to come back. Yet here you are. In my opinion it's not Mitch or Mado's job to listen to the incessant whining of Lunastorm and their members.

Your community was slagging off novastorm. Talking badly about it's members. People thought they were being so slick there. I saw it for myself. I don't need to post the screens because I don't care about your excuses. Mado and Mitch haven't poisoned anyone against you. I just showed screens to people and let them make their own minds up about your community. Judgement was passed on whatever you people said. Both Mitch and Mado had nothing to do with it. In all honestly drama really isn't their strength. They're very forward and honest people despite what you might think. They don't like engaging in messy drama. They're way too mature for it really. I only stepped in because I was sick of seeing you people walk all over them with this high and mighty "We're so much better than you people" act.

At least when people in nova talk about people from Luna they do it in public so you guys can see it. That way Stew can screen it for you guys or naid or whatever can see it for themselves. (Notice you're still permitted to stay in the nova discord?) When Luna was talking smack and slandering nova you had a private discord to do it. It wasn't until I infiltrated your community through multiple people that your opinions and true natures were put on show for the rest of the world.

If I was mado or mitch I would have kicked you all from the Nova discord by now to sever the bridge between the two communities and end this tedious and self serving drama. I would of then deleted all your new posts on the forums because what right do you have to use them? You already left nova and said you're uncomfortable with the toxicity, yet here you are trying to cause more of it. You're continuing to cause drama and argue despite what you're saying falling on death ears. The most pathetic part is absolutely nobody cares about what talon has to say so they're not even responding to his attempts to communicate lol. 

I doubt I would ever be allowed to set foot in Luna to discuss my opinions or how I feel about the situation. I'd likely get banned on the spot. Yet Mitch and Mado are so tolerant they allow you to still use their forums to whine. Says a lot about the situation really despite how much mado was demonized in your War HQ channel lol.

If you really cared about what Nova and the Novastormers thought about you you wouldn't have acted like you were better than everyone and claimed Nova was too toxic for you. Honestly I think part of growing up and maturing into an adult is learning that actions have consequences. What did you really think was going to happen when you ran off saying things like Nova was "toxic", "full of bland people" and that you weren't comfortable associating with Novastormers anymore? Did you really believe people would see you in a good light because you were acting so self righteous? I think that whole self righteous "i'm better than you" attitude your community harbors is why so many people hate you guys now tbh.

Actions speak louder than words char. You can't just say you're not toxic anymore and that Nova is too toxic for you, then go to a place even more toxic and then engage in toxicity. If people learn of the things you said and then judge you for it that's on you. Nobody else is to blame but yourself and if you really believe that you did nothing wrong I guess you have a lot more growing up to do.

You people can claim you're righteous and good all you want. It doesn't wash with me. It's just an act to look morally superior and it fooled some of the dummies like Naid into joining your ranks. Nova has always been very lax with rules and moderation. I'll admit that the lack of control is probably why this happened in the first place. People like Spin and Talon would have been perma banned years ago without a fair trial in any other chatango chat for the drama they caused in Nova. Mitch and Mado gave these people too many chances and they eventually bit the hand that fed them.

I lost pretty much all my respect for you Char after you started saying Nova was too toxic for you and you blamed the community for your bad deeds. Nobody in Nova used to think your jokes about raping little girls was funny. You were easily one of the most toxic people there. To see you act like you're a changed man and Nova is below you now really pisses me off. You've always been a fool though and I reckon one day you'll try to return to Nova. I doubt you'll ever be liked the same way again though. You'll likely be treated like a low ranking member like DrDeath or something.

Mado wrote:I've been very careful with wording what I said and your takeaway is that I'm saying all of the people in lunastorm are equally malicious. I don't recall saying anywhere that you were doing the same thing as Talon or Spin anywhere, you're welcome to provide screens of it if you have proof yourself. You're guilty of saying things like "nova is bland without us" and on top of that you above all things you could've said you frequent a place where Nova is often slandered, you have many things to say about what we say about luna but not what luna says about nova.

You need to make up your mind on whether you're working with your individual thoughts or being supportive of luna's because at one moment you say to stop slandering the server itself but then you imply that you're not with them on what they say.

I think they and I have all the right to call luna the things we call it because they started that when initially I even said I don't care if people go to a new place and they can be happy wherever they want to be but you guys continued to say horrible things about and it then extended to other people. Seeing the stance people like Naid and Stew took came completely out of left field and I really wouldn't have expected people like them to do what they did.

Calling the members besides you, Spin and whoever "bland" and the place uninteresting in your absence is an insult and you don't have to act so confused that people took it personally, that's pretty much saying you're "nothing without me". I don't know how you expected people to take this, it was very obvious that saying things like this while distancing yourself from nova is just a clear indication that you're supporting what Spin is doing whether you state that yourself or not.

I've discussed why my treatment towards you changed with you multiple times. I think you gradually changed as a person towards the worse by associating yourself with certain people who were very bad influence on you. I think opposing moderation each time a problem person needs to be dealt with and encouraging people to do harmful things and "let their darkness flow" following the idea of moral relatively and that everything is only right or wrong if you think it is wasn't what the chat needed and you wanted your unique take on things that didn't help things progress forward to be heard when I desperately needed to solve things in a quick fair way holding people responsible based on what they did and what we know of their mindset you only made things more complicated by taking sides. I was holding Zero and Tam equally responsible for the things they HAVE done and what they have done prior to that point but you'd chime in and say things like "I know tam's real intentions and how sneaky she's being" which is clear bias knowing the kind of person you're defending has a reputation for taking part in gossip warfare frontlines and even trolling the person you liked before until she snapped entirely and left which I, by the way, took the responsbility for on youtopia and everybody was disgusted at me for something I had no control over. Joe, Swamp, Chick, Austin and Sara were all disappointed in me because of what you told them about what Nova did to Tiff even though you're aware Zero and the gang did that and now you're supporting Zero's side entirely despite that just because Tam had a rough start with you. Regardless what you think of Tam supporting him so strongly only shows that you have a lousy judgement and put more weight to your whim driven opinions than they have. Once you start taking things more seriously and objectively you could expect people to begin listening to you.


How do we confuse anything to be a fight when you guys quite literally have a channel dedicated to discussing what you hate about nova and we don't? We bring up luna on occassion when one of you guys makes noise again while you've been discussing nova for long months with no breaks.

I hold onto my relationships dearly and I think I proved that multiple times throughout the history of Nova so you gotta go figure that when things go to this extent something has to be awfully wrong and you probably have something to reflect on and take the initiative in some way that isn't trying to make the people who held you close to them feel guilty about calling you out for your wrong decisions once.

There's no plotting on luna, only being drunk on the idea that nova's paying the price of doing you guys dirty and expanding as nova shrinks and wilts. That's the kinda idea we got from all the mockery we've seen in that place.

If you call standing up to you and not letting you taking the side of a person who's proven multiple times how little he values our friendship but only keeps returning because he has nowhere else that'd accept his self centered immature character by going to his obvious take over chat "toxicity" I'm not sure what to say to that, sounds more like you don't like being told that you're making a bad decision because that's exactly how you reacted the first time I was vocal about how you were making Tam out to be a pity seeking evil and Zero to be the good innocent guy in it you went and actually tried to get AOC goons to come and spam her pics in nova for revenge. Shameless.

I apologized profusely and you accepted it when AJ convinced me that you were behind the "0minization attacks", the reason I came to believe that then was because you were suspicious keeping close contact with Ramp and 0mi who were onto some shit at the time, I'm sure you'll ask "why don't you just inquire from me about the truth of things?" I don't think it makes sense to expect someone you suspect to be involved to answer that truthfully and it would've made more sense for you to clear up your name and say you weren't behind all that.

My chatroom's not some kind of public chat for a game hub or some place that needs to be moderated as though people don't know one another. This is a group for friends and they need to be let known what their longtime friends are doing behind their backs, and none of it is slander, literally everything we said you guys did we have screens for. Luna can feel free to fill the lifeless subreddit with strict rules niche but my chat will continue to have transparency and stay close to one another.

As for the blocking and ignoring I already answered above, you said things that implied you're too good for us and that we should've been thankful to have you and Talon around. You didn't say that explicitly before you start calling slander but that's the idea one would get when you go to an opposing server and then call your friends "bland".

This isn't some kind of warfare against your person, you have to take into consideration the fact that Talon and Spin give you a bad name in association because you see what they do and say but still hang out with them and don't try to stop them from saying the things they say.

If you're going to take the side of people who're known to be trolls when the person they're trolling has said that she's suffering from a condition I think it's for me to enjoy the fact that these people are gone. You choose to focus on her knowing that and then you can't even turn your face towards Spin who's quite literally making her go crazy by holding her hostage and invoking an emotion response in telling her that their romance could've blossomed into something then the other day he's investigating the possiblity of her being actually male and catfishing people because she didn't immediately burst into tears and fall into his arms for saying his sad story with her. Some niceguy shit. You even entertained that and went to the lengths of calling her "Timothy" which completely invalidates the idea of you being unbiased.

If you really mean to make it so we don't give up on Spin and that he's still worth befriending despite his flaws that's honorable but why wouldn't you do the same thing with Tam? That's not neutrality. Though with you and him in a new place now we don't have to engage in arguments anymore because clearly any time Spin is still around the bug in him will force him to repeat the cycle and put the chat in a gloomy mood for it.

"Talon and I especially have never created any real problem, only jumped in and have our opinions just like everybody else within the community but we get swagged because we’re big figures in the community." That's fair though, the closer you are to people the more weight your statement would hold. As older friends you'd be the people we expect to have our back and not be in complete opposition with us, helping the people who want to harm the well being of the chat and criminalizing the people who just want to come and enjoy a chat.

Trying to hold discussion over and over is not enough, you need to acknowledge what you're doing wrong and reflect upon it and if you do that you may in good faith also criticize your friends' decisions in a way that isn't a bitchy gossip war of "see tam or whoever for how evil they are or I'm gonna continue to be passive aggressive and help the other person get a laugh each time they show up".

That's a very juvenile sentiment, I think I and many people of nova have shown you and Talon a good side of ourselves for long years and it should be obvious that we won't just "dislike you" just bc. There's a good justification for that and I keep explaining it for what's true of it whether you wanna agree with that or not.

I'm not kicking you out or doing a childish get out of my club move, I'm just advising you to do what would weigh less on your mind if you think you can't agree with this and will keep trying to convince me that 0mi did nothing wrong, Spin's actually improved and seeks the betterment of Nova despite all things he's said and done and that Tam is using the pity she doesn't even get to her advantage to manipulate people. Remove bias and pride from your mind or move on.

You're not reading at all if you are saying I've never mentioned anything about how Luna is commenting about Nova. Please read over my posts again and actually take that information in. I would go back and provide proof but you people often delete entire conversations of what you say regarding Luna. I am clearly working with my own thoughts I'm not sure why you're trying so hard to group me together when I'm providing my full perspective on things. 

I'll admit I did say some people in Nova are bland and I apologize to whoever i targeted with that, I was just very emotional and frustrated with all the confusion that was going on towards me and was lashing my emotions out. I really didn't mean what I said especially due to the fact that I've been around these people for so long if I really thought of them that way I would have left a long time ago. What I was confused about however is not that. The sole reason I started going on a rampant was because this was before I've said all that. I had to distance myself at that point because it was already set in stone that people were randomly labeling me as some betrayer and knowing how y'all work, will of course refuse to listen or entertain a thing I say and continue this wave of hate.

I really still don't understand your fascination with grouping me with others. I'm not with Spin please absorb this and stop making up your own make believe fantasy. Spin's path and mine are completely different. If you really paid attention and read things you would clearly notice how I was against him on many things and even defended and spoke towards the perspectives of you, Shaun and such but of course you don't care about that, only amplifying the negative spectrum of things.

You're right I did change overtime and that bad influence was the people in chat. Just as what you're all doing now to Spin, Talon, and me I've grouped with yall and done to others as well in the past. Just like how Talon has explained in his post that is the truth of how the Nova environment operates. Yes my dark humor was bad but it was something accepted in Nova and I'm really not the only one guilty at all. From my time stepping outside I realized how aweful I've truly been and has been becoming. The whole "darkness" stage was a way of me emphasizing how I was not caring anymore and would hurt people and justify it by saying I'm meming and tell people to grow a pair if they are offended by me. I was basically at a limit and I didn't even realize it because I've cared for people in chat so many times only for me to get backstabbed and thrown under the bus so I simply was like fuck it ima just b a bad guy then lol. 

I'm not even completely blaming Nova either. It was my choice to fall down that path and I was completely aware of it but I kept telling myself it was ok. I was too old to be acting the way I was and regret it tremendously. I was only able to start seeing this from looking and observing Nova from the outside myself. The way people hive at innocent people and not caring about the individual, mob mentality, no signs of cooperation, insensitivity, ect. It's because of all of these things is why nothing in Nova ever gets resolved and problems only get more complex and impossible to deal with. 

You keep claiming me bias when you always completely ignore when I say things for the other end, all you ever see is the things i say against you and that's it. The proof of me not being biased is in previous posts as well as in luna itself so I'm not even going to fight too much on how I'm not bias at all when it's in your face already. 

The war hq channel isn't a channel directed at hate towards Nova. Let me emphasize again that the whole calling it a war was a meme and that alone. You're the only ones taking that so seriously when I've already addressed on multiple occasions that isn't the case. The channel was simply a place where people like Talon and i would express our thoughts on the foolishness that was going on. It wasn't even Spin's idea in the first place, he wanted to rid conversing about it overall but I needed a space to vent and express my confusion on the situation going on. 

You're going all over the place with this Zero thing. You can't just piece all those situations together as if they all mean the same thing, they are all very different situations and things have changed between all those years. Firstly still to this day you don't know that situation between Tam and Zero entirely and it wasn't even your problem in the first place. There was no bias in what I have said because I've clearly stated how Zero provoked Tam in the past but in this situation Tam was deadass the one in the wrong for said reasons. You need to understand that I've also had disagreements against Zero as well many times in the past but for some reason all you ever want to remember when something is against u is the details that is most convenient for you. If I was so biased to Zero I literally would just say he never did Tam wrong ever and Tam is just hating on him because she's jealous or some bs. I know for a fact that I've said multiple times that Zero is not an innocent good guy I really swear you don't read a lot of what I post.

I don't understand why you're bringing up the Tiff thing since that is a thing of the way back past and things were extremely different back then, but you're also somewhat wrong on that. It's very true that Nova was also involved in that moment when they followed tiff to youtopia. I didn't just blame them though i was also furious at the skype crew too at that moment. I had literally shunned myself away from both communities for like a week or something. Joe scolding you was not my intent either. Since it's your chat of course he would firstly assume that you enabled it in some way. I personally though knew you wasn't involved or agreed to people executing that movement.

The thing about this specific scenario is that I dove into this doing nothing to anybody. I was simply just away from Nova and all of a sudden I have people wanting my head. Of course I will endlessly try to figure out what is going on and try to figure out why these people are coming at me sideways. My venting wasn't an attempt to continuously jab at Nova, it was to take the actual situations that went on and try to make sense of the random foolishness that yall think up. Everything I've said only purely related to exact discussions between us. You're not calling me out for anything you're making up what you think I'm doing without any type of clarification. I've been confronted and addressed about many things I've actually done in the past and I've never whined about it. I either said "yeah I did that" or "No I don't remember doing that at all" and continue my day. I have never had an issue with somebody simply criticizing me this isn't even what this is about. 

Again i express that any ideas you think of what intents being made you need to confront and talk about it instead of just instantly thinking "hey i know what's going on guys." You've always followed this line of thinking and it has never worked for you at all. All you end up putting yourself in is a deeper and more convoluted standpoint and it gets so complicated for you that you just end up giving up because you're unaware of how to fix it. 

If you truly held these relations dearly you wouldn't just look at this situation 2 dimensional and quickly label people with no showing of cooperation. You're the only one that has shown to not really care about what we think or even attempt to entertain any of our thoughts and instead continue to look at this as if it's a fight you should win even though we keep trying to tell you that non of us are trying to fight in the first place. 

It's really funny how y'all keep saying that I'm scared of taking accountability about things when I'm one of the only few people who seem to do so. I literally have never cared about being told I was wrong about something and has always been one of the first people to always openly be like "yeah i know i did something wrong." I don't ever see that with most of you though. Y'all value your pride above everything else even at the cost of friendships you always want to believe you're right about something and not even consider the possibility that you might have gotten the wrong idea of some things. 

Once again I am not on somebody's side I don't know how many times i have to explain this. I'm not at Luna now because I'm following Spin, I'm there because i simply want to be there. Just because I leave Nova doesn't mean I'm following somebody. As you say yourself people are free to leave and enter as they please so why does it raise a red flag when i choose to not be at Nova? I'm obviously going to prefer wanting to be in an environment that doesn't want to only put me down. This isn't about Spin at all I swear I'm way above the double digits repeating this.

Spin making her go crazy is only one side of it. You're again, even though you claim to hold tam as accountable, is ignoring the fact that Tam is just as damaging. You are the one only focusing on Spin and that's the only reason why I repeatedly keep bringing up that "hey you know Tam is also fucked up right?" They are both guilty, not just Spin. Timothy is just a meme name you're looking way too deep into that although I will apologize if it actually offended her in some way. I'm also not going to explain how I'm not biased again since it is also still in your face to go over. I also had already came forward in the past and admitted to how I snapped and was aweful for trying to do what i did to tam with the whole AOC thing so you can't really use that against me. That doesn't even fall in the line of bias, that's simply just me being an angry shithead and just doing a bad thing. It's also funny how you only target Spin alone as a problem starter but of course you're not the bias one.

My point in all this isn't even to make people believe in Spin again. Once again I state that I am not in this with him I have my own problems with certain people and for wanting to leave. It is not related to just Spin, repeated once again. I have clearly done that with Tam. I've literally tried reasoning and befriending her for years as well as acknowledged she can be cool and a decent friend whenever she's not going nuts. Never have i once said that Tam is unfriendable. If she was I would never joke with her or play games with her or have any kind of conversations with her in the past. 

What you are claiming of me is clearly slander and I'm still waiting on this proof of these claims. You're reasonings for thinking I left Nova, the actions you believe I've made, ect. All false. The only thing so far that is actually true is me calling people bland and I've admitted that with no resistance at all because I know that actually happened. Despite all of the things i hold myself accountable I still have yet to see y'all's. Y'all really do think we just up and do all this just to be bad for no compelte reason huh? There's nothing you've done at all to trigger these tumblings of events? We're simply just bad people that want to make Mado suffer and cry and turn on the people of Nova for a laugh. 

Most of everything I've said isn't even said behind your back. As I've said before I put everything into my posts as well. What about the things you and the others say? Just as they are letting you know what we are saying about some of yall we also spot the things yall say of us. The things you say however is always something new and something you never come at me for before. 

You're assuming things about how Luna is ran. It isn't even strict at all. It's probably about as loose as Nova is except Luna seems to respect individual people more and put our foot down when need be. Luna currently has no tensions, no bullying, and people there are all happy and interactive. It isn't some lifeless subreddit. If you want us to stop talking about your environment then how about you practice the same thing.

People like Talon and I are partially the reason of a lot of the negative flaws the community adapted into how it is today. That is partially what I mean when I say the community was bad influence. As a senior member I treaded and followed down a bad path and it effected the people within the community to follow some of the things I used to enable. Things like "oh people who can't handle our speech can gtfo" and meming and making certain people uncomfortable just because they may be socially weird to some of us. Things like this was a practice amongst the community and eventually ended up being viewed as moreso justified. Hiving situations because it felt great to be right with a group of people. Lots of people respected these negative qualities and thought it was cool and made sense. So yes you're completely right about that and this is partially the reason why I stepped away and reflected on how terrible I was becoming and how it was effecting the community overall. 

You're blind as hell and not reading a thing at all if you continue this thing of "hey you're not acknowledging things xd." One of the literal main reasons for me leaving is the reflecting aspect in itself. The only thing that I'm trying to bring to the table is all the misconceptions and foolish extreme ideas you guys have as well as addressing the uncooperation you and as well as some others have. You're being exactly like Tam with how she completely ignores the words being placed right in front of her of the things being acknowledged. The other point in this is to address and make you realize the faults of y'alls actions as well as clear some of the things you're saying that is wrong about us. 

The fact is you're the only people refusing to budge, refusing to listen, and refusing to try to resolve matters. At this point yall are the ones trying to make this into some dramatic issue. I'm only here to inform and attempt resolution. It seems to me that you only want to be right about something and for us to beg and plead at your feet for forgiveness as if we're the only people that has done wrong things. I'll never be desperate enough to do that. I'd rather not try my hand to keep friends that don't hold me on an equal footing. 

In conclusion I'm saying once again that I'm not here to convince you that Spin is a good person. That's a personal affair between the both of you and it's not my place to force you to view differently of Spin as well as it doesn't make sense to hold standards because of views of other people. I don't believe in the whole "hey you should be friends with my friends" kind of thing. All I can ever do is give my opinion on something and if you keep to your opinion i have to respect that, I really don't care overall how you view 0mi, Spin, ect. Tam hurts herself on purpose she even says this that she'll do anything just to satisfy her own ego even if it doesn't benefit her. Finally I will not even attempt to address the whole I'm bias thing again, you can think what you think the proof is in the texts.

Buz wrote:Char i think Mado and Mitch have been more than tolerant to you people. At the end of the day you said you didn't like Nova anymore. You "quit" Nova and then joined that other meme community that was very resentful to both Mado and Nova in general.

You persist with using the Nova forums, which were designed for Novastormers. If you're not a Novastormer anymore why are you posting here? You disliked the community so much you completely abandoned it, yet you still post here. 

Mitch and Mado serve their community. They're admins of NOVASTORM. It really shouldn't be their job to pander to you when you have already left. They have both said they're supportive of your choice to leave Nova. They haven't chased you out or begged you to come back. Yet here you are. In my opinion it's not Mitch or Mado's job to listen to the incessant whining of Lunastorm and their members.

Your community was slagging off novastorm. Talking badly about it's members. People thought they were being so slick there. I saw it for myself. I don't need to post the screens because I don't care about your excuses. Mado and Mitch haven't poisoned anyone against you. I just showed screens to people and let them make their own minds up about your community. Judgement was passed on whatever you people said. Both Mitch and Mado had nothing to do with it. In all honestly drama really isn't their strength. They're very forward and honest people despite what you might think. They don't like engaging in messy drama. They're way too mature for it really. I only stepped in because I was sick of seeing you people walk all over them with this high and mighty "We're so much better than you people" act.

At least when people in nova talk about people from Luna they do it in public so you guys can see it. That way Stew can screen it for you guys or naid or whatever can see it for themselves. (Notice you're still permitted to stay in the nova discord?) When Luna was talking smack and slandering nova you had a private discord to do it. It wasn't until I infiltrated your community through multiple people that your opinions and true natures were put on show for the rest of the world.

If I was mado or mitch I would have kicked you all from the Nova discord by now to sever the bridge between the two communities and end this tedious and self serving drama. I would of then deleted all your new posts on the forums because what right do you have to use them? You already left nova and said you're uncomfortable with the toxicity, yet here you are trying to cause more of it. You're continuing to cause drama and argue despite what you're saying falling on death ears. The most pathetic part is absolutely nobody cares about what talon has to say so they're not even responding to his attempts to communicate lol. 

I doubt I would ever be allowed to set foot in Luna to discuss my opinions or how I feel about the situation. I'd likely get banned on the spot. Yet Mitch and Mado are so tolerant they allow you to still use their forums to whine. Says a lot about the situation really despite how much mado was demonized in your War HQ channel lol.

If you really cared about what Nova and the Novastormers thought about you you wouldn't have acted like you were better than everyone and claimed Nova was too toxic for you. Honestly I think part of growing up and maturing into an adult is learning that actions have consequences. What did you really think was going to happen when you ran off saying things like Nova was "toxic", "full of bland people" and that you weren't comfortable associating with Novastormers anymore? Did you really believe people would see you in a good light because you were acting so self righteous? I think that whole self righteous "i'm better than you" attitude your community harbors is why so many people hate you guys now tbh.

Actions speak louder than words char. You can't just say you're not toxic anymore and that Nova is too toxic for you, then go to a place even more toxic and then engage in toxicity. If people learn of the things you said and then judge you for it that's on you. Nobody else is to blame but yourself and if you really believe that you did nothing wrong I guess you have a lot more growing up to do.

You people can claim you're righteous and good all you want. It doesn't wash with me. It's just an act to look morally superior and it fooled some of the dummies like Naid into joining your ranks. Nova has always been very lax with rules and moderation. I'll admit that the lack of control is probably why this happened in the first place. People like Spin and Talon would have been perma banned years ago without a fair trial in any other chatango chat for the drama they caused in Nova. Mitch and Mado gave these people too many chances and they eventually bit the hand that fed them.

I lost pretty much all my respect for you Char after you started saying Nova was too toxic for you and you blamed the community for your bad deeds. Nobody in Nova used to think your jokes about raping little girls was funny. You were easily one of the most toxic people there. To see you act like you're a changed man and Nova is below you now really pisses me off. You've always been a fool though and I reckon one day you'll try to return to Nova. I doubt you'll ever be liked the same way again though. You'll likely be treated like a low ranking member like DrDeath or something.

Firstly I'd like to state that you are coming at me with no complete knowledge of the situation, you only know whatever Mado and such has said to you and wish for you to believe. You're an outsider in this and how you're supposed to approach this is with questions and not answers. I didn't claim to really quit Nova, I stepped away because I was driven out by people such as yourself. I post in forums to lay out my stance and let people know my perspective and remove speculation that is brought upon me.

You're right Mado and Mitch are admins of nova and it isn't their job to ponder to me and I've never asked for them to. I never said anything against Mitch at all in this in fact Mitch is one of the ones I reached out to privately to explain what's really going on on my end and he seemed to understand my position. I never asked or expected anyone to beg for my return i'm not sure where you're getting this from. Let me express if you havn't read through my other posts that this isn't some group conflict. I'm not some Luna representative trying to swag Nova. This is between me and certain people. I have nothing against you specifically unless you yourself want to bring it to that point.

Why not post screens to help your argument? That doesn't make sense to me. If you posted them I'd be able to explain the context of it and be able to either apologize for it or inform you why what was said being said. Again you keep bringing up Mitch but he also has nothing to do this at all. I never came at him at all for anything. In fact I have really high respect with how Mitch has handled this situation vs everyone else. If what you're saying is true then Mado doesn't have as much influence in this as I assumed and you're one of the main reasons for spreading of meaningless hostility. 

I just want to understand why you did what you did. Did you think you'd be some type of hero and people would appreciate you more bc of this? I havn't walked over anybody I literally came back to this hostility. Mado initiated on me with insults and assumptions because he was quick to think people were after him when people just wanted a simple discussion. I have not wronged him at all specifically initially. 

Nobody's claiming to be better than the other. I'm literally mainly just trying to explain, address, and resolve certain differences and that's it. I've never claimed to be better than anyone else. This is what you're concluding yourself. Our discussions are also public I don't understand what you mean. Plus nova is literally not even an open cord you can literally hop in and see things immediately. Plus unlike yall who seem to just speak amongst yallselves and are hesitant to speak to people directly about things, Spin, myself and Talon has been reaching out ourselves in attempt to talk things out but instead yall want so badly to stick to this hostile mindset and keep this whole "hey they are evil fuck them guys lol."

I'm not sure why you're bringing up that I'm still in novacord. You act as if Luna is some secret place and it's a lot more open than your own space. Nobody's trying to hide anything. We're not slandering nova we've only said exactly what you people have said about us. Again you didn't "infiltrate" the community. Anybody can come in and out as they please so umm.... that's sorta embarrassing for you lol. Majority what was being said in war hq was addressed in forums already anyways so it's not really that "classified" info that hasn't already been brought up to the Nova people. 

Speaking of that it means even less coming from you, as a representation of Nova, to be coming to the community and disrespecting and insulting somebody's appearance when they aren't even in this conflict. How can you preach about justice when you're acting out in an immature manner? For the most part not only can i not take you seriously as somebody who has limited info, but also as somebody who has entered and approached this situation in the most childish way. 

Your lack of information and ways of execution is making you look more and more foolish. The threats and the ignorance. If you really want to voice your opinions about Luna I'm pretty certain Spin can arrange that in the server maybe. As stated before it's an open cord literally not even locked like nova's is lol. 

Never acted like I was better, only confused and just wish for people to listen and take in information as well as understand the situation more overall. I didn't even run off alarming people that I was leaving in the first place. Y'all were the ones who figured out I left. I didn't want attention from the whole community because it didn't involve them. I was wrong for my comments such as calling people bland but Nova has reacted to this situation in a very toxic manner and the proof already comes from people such as yourself. Not saying completely everybody is on board that would be silly but mainly just those foolishly following like sheep and conjuring things from thin air are the only people I disagree with. 

Your ignorance is showing more by saying Luna is a toxic place. Literally majority of the people are irrelevant to this conflict and are just chillin playing games and such. Only like around 4-5 people in Luna discuss Nova and we don't even do it within that server anymore to clear negative vibes from that place completely. I've explained already that I'm not really blaming people when I said "Nova has made me more toxic" I moreso meant that I have chosen to go down a bad path and let it spread among the community. Basically you read that wrong. Also partially the point of me stepping away from Nova in the first place was for reflective reasons. 

I'm not claiming righteousness at all. I'm literally only trying to clear all these weird views people have and simply inform them of things but nobody wants to be cooperative and continue to be too prideful of their own thoughts. This whole mess is literally just a cluttered mess of misunderstanding and it's only getting worse and worse because people are turning things in the wrong direction when it doesn't even have to be this way. It isn't even that serious. 

The way you view me is actually right. I was amongst the most toxic people and used to take pride in that. I'm too old to be acting like that and it was time I truly acted as I should. Of course I expected this type of reaction to my wanting of change but only consistency will prove how serious i am. If this is how nova will react towards me and treat me even though upon this certain situation I've literally done nothing at all initially, then I of course have no place there anymore. This really tested the mettle of who is truly a friend and who isn't.

First of all I want to say that I was one of the people who opened up everyone's eyes to what was being said in your server in the first place. You dismiss my opinion on this and say I have no idea what is going on. It's not hard to grasp. I was ahead of you with the goomer situation wasn't I? I reckon I'm more than qualified to understand this situation as much as you like to dismiss my intelligence lol. 

Also you said it's embarrassing that I refer to it as "infiltrating"... See the thing I noticed is that the moment you were made aware of my presence in your chat you guys deleted the War HQ channel to cover up what you said and moved to PMs to discuss things. If I hadn't of infiltrated your server in secret through multiple members within your community I would have never saw what I needed to see. You people thought you were safe to slag off Novastorm in your own discord server, but if you knew people were monitoring what you were saying (just as you were monitoring nova at the time) you wouldn't have carried on with slagging people off as it made you look like terrible people. I had to infiltrate your community to get the truth and not interfere with what you were saying.

I'm not going to post the screens because like I said before. You will either try and dismiss them, deflect it or change the context of what was being said. Due to the fact the War HQ channel was conveniently deleted after my story was posted I think it's safe to say there was truth behind many of the things I quoted within the story. It might surprise you that many of the things the lunastormers said in my story were handpicked statements from your server that I have screenshots of. To be quite honest I could easily just show you guys what you said, but I don't care about your apology or anything you have to say in response to it. The evidence is blatantly there to show what you said. Nothing you have to say will add to it in any way. If you apologized you'd only be sorry you got caught out, nothing more.

In all honestly I don't care how people perceive me. I've said some shocking shit myself to be quite honest, the only difference is I don't then pretend to be a better person or claim that I never said what I did. I also say what I say in full view for everybody so that the people I'm talking about find out. An example would be what I said about Naid. I left that there in general for her to find knowing full well she was still reading Novas server despite saying how much she hated the place in Lunastorm. In fact I only said what I said to Naid because I didn't like how two faced and cowardly she was being... She also talked shit about me lol. I really don't like two faced cowardly people. I was punished for what I said so it's whatever I guess. 

When you say nobody is claiming to be better than the other I fail to see how. You all declared how toxic novastorm was and how you're not comfortable there anymore. Isn't that just basically saying you're better than everyone else in Novastorm? There was a major social justice element involved in your community that painted Nova as some kind of far right hate group that should be looked down on. I'm pretty sure Spins entire angle in order to herd in new members was to paint Lunastorm as politically correct and point out how Nova wasn't. People basically left Novastorm for Lunastorm because Nova was just too "ignorant", "toxic" and "hateful". 

It doesn't matter if you're claiming to be righteous or not. That's the vibe you guys gave off when you basically declared you were better than Nova because Nova wasn't politically correct enough. You were basically just saying: "Novastorm isn't good enough to fit my standards goodbye." It's not hard to understand why people didn't like you guys for that. 

I just think you have a history of being the henchmen of people who oppose authority in Novastorm chat. Zero and 0mi are the two most notable cases. It's easy to oppose authority and argue they're not doing a good job or running things how you'd like. I don't think you ever appreciated the amount of freedom Mitch and Mado gave you. In a regular chatango chat people get banned for absolutely anything under the sun. 

I think it's worth mentioning there is also screens of you roleplay reveling in the conflict with Novastorm. You act like you're seriously upset by the situation, but then say things in Luna like you wanted to "destroy novastorm chat" and "bring mitch and mado to their knees". People in Nova know you were roleplay fantasizing about a war or whatever, but nobody in Nova thinks it was funny. They saw talon and spin talking about how they wanted to see nova die and then the screens of you having fun over the conflict. It probably helped paint you in a bad light among people. You even made a serious post and then titled it something as dramatic as "the sparks of war". I don't even believe you're upset by this conflict. I reckon it's all just a game to you.

At the end of the day all I did was show people what you guys were saying about them. If you don't like that tough. It's called the social game you idiots. Why even say things if you're scared of people finding out the truth? It's just dishonest. Say whatever you want about me, but at least I'm forward with people. The people of Novastorm deserved and had a right to know if they were being talked about behind their backs. 

I find absolutely nothing worthwhile in discussions with you because in all honestly you always have an excuse for something or dismiss what is being said or just claim nobody is listening. Me and Mado are reading what you're saying we just don't agree with your opinion. I reckon in the future you'll finally snap out of this and realize your mistake, but it'll take a long time for it to sink in. I was harsh on you before, but only because I feel as though Mitch and Mado aren't being. One day you'll snap out of this and realize Novastorm really wasn't as bad as you think.

Buz wrote:First of all I want to say that I was one of the people who opened up everyone's eyes to what was being said in your server in the first place. You dismiss my opinion on this and say I have no idea what is going on. It's not hard to grasp. I was ahead of you with the goomer situation wasn't I? I reckon I'm more than qualified to understand this situation as much as you like to dismiss my intelligence lol. 

Also you said it's embarrassing that I refer to it as "infiltrating"... See the thing I noticed is that the moment you were made aware of my presence in your chat you deleted the War HQ channel to cover up what you said and moved to PMs to discuss things. If I hadn't of infiltrated your server in secret through multiple members within your community I would have never saw what I needed to see. You people thought you were safe to slag off Novastorm in your own discord server, but if you knew people were monitoring what you were saying (just as you were monitoring nova at the time) you wouldn't have carried on with slagging people off as it made you look like terrible people. I had to infiltrate your community to get the truth and not interfere with what you were saying. I'm not going to post the screens because like I said before. You will either try and dismiss them, deflect it or change the context of what was being said. Due to the fact the War HQ channel was conveniently deleted after my story was posted I think it's safe to say there was truth behind many of the things I quoted within the story. It might surprise you that many of the things the lunastormers said in my story were handpicked statements from your server that I have screenshots of. To be quite honest I could easily just show you guys what you said, but I don't care about your apology or anything you have to say in response to it. The evidence is blatantly there to show what you said. Nothing you have to say will add to it in any way. If you apologized you'd only be sorry you got caught out, nothing more.

In all honestly I don't care how people perceive me. I've said some shocking shit myself to be quite honest, the only difference is I don't then pretend to be a better person or claim that I never said what I did. I also say what I say in full view for everybody so that the people I'm talking about find out. An example would be what I said about Naid. I left that there in general for her to find knowing full well she was still reading Novas server despite saying how much she hated the place in Lunastorm. In fact I only said what I said to Naid because I didn't like how two faced and cowardly she was being... She also talked shit about me lol. I really don't like two faced cowardly people. I was punished for what I said so it's whatever I guess. 

When you say nobody is claiming to be better than the other I fail to see how. You all declared how toxic novastorm was and how you're not comfortable there anymore. Isn't that just basically saying you're better than everyone else in Novastorm? There was a major social justice element involved in your community that painted Nova as some kind of far left right hate group that should be looked down on. I'm pretty sure Spins entire angle in order to herd in new members was to paint Lunastorm as politically correct and point out how Nova wasn't. People basically left Novastorm for Lunastorm because Nova was just too "ignorant", "toxic" and "hateful". 

It doesn't matter if you're claiming to be righteous or not. That's the vibe you guys gave off when you basically declared you were better than Nova because Nova wasn't politically correct enough. You were basically just saying: "Novastorm isn't good enough to fit my standards goodbye." It's not hard to understand why people didn't like you guys for that. 

I just think you have a history of being the henchmen of people who oppose authority in Novastorm chat. Zero and 0mi are the two most notable cases. It's easy to oppose authority and argue they're not doing a good job or running things how you'd like. I don't think you ever appreciated the amount of freedom Mitch and Mado gave you. In a regular chatango chat people get banned for absolutely anything under the sun. 

At the end of the day all I did was show people what you guys were saying about them. If you don't like that tough. It's called the social game you idiots. Why even say things if you're scared of people finding out the truth? It's just dishonest. Say whatever you want about me, but at least I'm forward with people. The people of Novastorm deserved and had a right to know if they were being talked about behind their backs. 

I find absolutely nothing worthwhile in discussions with you because in all honestly you always have an excuse for something or dismiss what is being said or just claim nobody is listening. Me and Mado are reading what you're saying we just don't agree with your opinion. I reckon in the future you'll finally snap out of this and realize your mistake, but it'll take a long time for it to sink in. I was harsh on you before, but only because I feel as though Mitch and Mado aren't being. One day you'll snap out of this and realize Novastorm really wasn't as bad as you think.

You clearly didn't read because I put in my post acknowledging you saying that you were the one who opened up about Luna. Just because you went into the server doesn't mean you automatically know what's going on. You spoke to nobody and went straight to assumptions. You're not that smart to think you just know everything at first glance. You don't even know how this started and wasn't even there for it. You're riding a wagon right now. 

You're being too full of yourself if you think the war hq was deleted because of you. Nobody is concerned much about you in the first place. Like i said before, it's an open server. If Spin wanted it to be secret it wouldn't just be dangling out for anybody to read. 

Just because I'm uncomfortable somewhere doesn't automatically mean i'm claiming to be too good for it. That's like me saying the chinese are lesser people because their culture makes me uncomfortable, that logic is flawed. 

You're assuming way too many things that have baseless claims. You and nobody else is that smart to be able to just automatically know what's going on. You don't just pop off from just vibes, you have to clarify if you're correct from your vibes first before jumping to these conclusions. You clearly aren't listening because you're not even responding to things being said. 

You're right there's zero reason to discuss things with you. You are even worse about being full of yourself and is only in this to claim you're right about a situation you don't even know about while still going about it in an immature fashion. I've already seen and addressed my mistakes but y'all are the ones believing to be righteous angels that believe you've done no wrong.

charizardf1 wrote:You're not reading at all if you are saying I've never mentioned anything about how Luna is commenting about Nova. Please read over my posts again and actually take that information in. I would go back and provide proof but you people often delete entire conversations of what you say regarding Luna. I am clearly working with my own thoughts I'm not sure why you're trying so hard to group me together when I'm providing my full perspective on things. 

No, we do not delete. That's slander, all of our conversations about lunastorm stayed where it is. If you're talking about the removal of the old general 1 it's archived because I wanted to open a new page and put behind all the arguments of the past for the sake of my members who want no more of that. If you wanna have a look at it and inspect if it's saying anything about lunastorm barring what's already being said now I'd be more than happy to give you permissions to that channel and you search it closely for yourself.

You say I don't read but you don't seem to get the message I'm sending across that I don't think you're saying the same things as Talon, Mario, Naid and Spin. All I mentioned is that it makes sense for people to associate you with them because you were saying what they said as they were slagging off nova and everybody in that channel just makes themselves look like gossip enjoyers who think they're so slick because their chat was active and nova wasn't.

charizardf1 wrote:I'll admit I did say some people in Nova are bland and I apologize to whoever i targeted with that, I was just very emotional and frustrated with all the confusion that was going on towards me and was lashing my emotions out. I really didn't mean what I said especially due to the fact that I've been around these people for so long if I really thought of them that way I would have left a long time ago. What I was confused about however is not that. The sole reason I started going on a rampant was because this was before I've said all that. I had to distance myself at that point because it was already set in stone that people were randomly labeling me as some betrayer and knowing how y'all work, will of course refuse to listen or entertain a thing I say and continue this wave of hate.

If being emotionally unstable was a legitimate justification for saying and doing things of that nature why don't you say this about me when I was experiencing a miserable time and you guys were doubling down on it? How about when Tam was lashing out because she's used to people bullying her or because Spin is making her go nuts? Shouldn't it go both ways? Give people what you expect to get? It could be said about a lot of people who acted out of line in one point or another and I literally used it as an excuse to bail a lot of you out of it but my pleas were ignored and now I equally don't care.

I think the betrayer or traitor "label" was strictly given after the shock of seeing the screens of what you guys had been saying on that channel, again with the emotional reaction and I think it's an understandable one in this instance.

Idk, doesn't doubling down on the bad aspects of things when you're feeling down a weakness that turns things into a bigger mess? Should we be responsible for you not being in control of your emotions? Well, yeah, I suppose that's what friends should but what if that friend literally doesn't care in most instances, if you do show sympathy to some, and would just sit to see an enjoyable event of drama unfold in the sidelines or even contribute to making it worse. It's an understandable sentiment to expect friends to have your back and set you straight when you start not being yourself but not so much so if you can't even put yourself in people's shoes when they're the ones lashing out and making their situation worse. You do it for some admittedly, I don't accuse of being an entirely indifferent person or that you never helped folks or that you had their backs but in the bigger events that had an impact on the chat's landscape you took the approach of wanting to make them admit that they're being unreasonable and stop on their tracks instead of kindly calming them down and understanding why they're acting out of order like you were doing and might even be doing now.

charizardf1 wrote:I really still don't understand your fascination with grouping me with others. I'm not with Spin please absorb this and stop making up your own make believe fantasy. Spin's path and mine are completely different. If you really paid attention and read things you would clearly notice how I was against him on many things and even defended and spoke towards the perspectives of you, Shaun and such but of course you don't care about that, only amplifying the negative spectrum of things.

Refer to the first part. When it comes to defending Spin or making us believe he's not so bad though that's something you quite literally said over and over in the chat in the period just before you left, I very distinctively remember you mentioning that he was improving as a person and that we need to focus on what he does better instead of where he messes up, I'm sorry I don't keep screens of things like that on me I don't really have some kind of goal to keep a bitchy archive of all things people said and the dirt I have on them.

You did criticize his idea of me being a lazy bum because I didn't work labor along with doing college to mention one and I am thankful for that but it's important to note how much you criticized him vs how much you criticize people who are "on my side", which is quite ironically something you accuse me of doing so all I can so is it goes both ways. You say there's no sides and war in this but there's clearly a division where two separate groups with similar ideas about the thing back each other up and try to refute the claims thrown by the other side which eventually led to you guys leaving and making your own place, as suggested by me to be really honest.

charizardf1 wrote:You're right I did change overtime and that bad influence was the people in chat. Just as what you're all doing now to Spin, Talon, and me I've grouped with yall and done to others as well in the past. Just like how Talon has explained in his post that is the truth of how the Nova environment operates. Yes my dark humor was bad but it was something accepted in Nova and I'm really not the only one guilty at all. From my time stepping outside I realized how aweful I've truly been and has been becoming. The whole "darkness" stage was a way of me emphasizing how I was not caring anymore and would hurt people and justify it by saying I'm meming and tell people to grow a pair if they are offended by me. I was basically at a limit and I didn't even realize it because I've cared for people in chat so many times only for me to get backstabbed and thrown under the bus so I simply was like fuck it ima just b a bad guy then lol. 

People such as who in chat? Zero? yv? 0mi? Talon? Whoever was the epic troll of the time? You can't possibly be saying it was like me, Mitch, Shaun or freaking Onox. It was the people I call out all the time and encourage you to not be with but you ignored me for reasons that I probably shouldn't assume no matter how obvious they are because you'll latch onto that.

Why exactly did it take you stepping out of this zone to realize that you're not doing people a service with these things when I literally was begging with all the respect I had for you that weighs more than most the chat to reconsider siding with these people and removing the "darkness" in yourself? I guess my voice had little value to you to begin with and it probably continues to be so as the case with Spin who had to hear it from Mitch and others before he changed his mind about what he was saying of my lifestyle. Don't blame Nova because there has always been efforts to stop people from doing harmful trolls and it's what creates this drama to begin with.

What are these instances in which you were backstabbed or thrown under the bus before the 0minization thing or the fight between Zero and Tam? I don't seem to recall a moment in which that prior to that, on the contrary you were pretty much immune to criticism before I had enough of what you were doing and decided to finally be honest about how I feel with the recent change of you, I guess people called you a joker here and there but that's because that's the character you showed them of yourself.

charizardf1 wrote:I'm not even completely blaming Nova either. It was my choice to fall down that path and I was completely aware of it but I kept telling myself it was ok. I was too old to be acting the way I was and regret it tremendously. I was only able to start seeing this from looking and observing Nova from the outside myself. The way people hive at innocent people and not caring about the individual, mob mentality, no signs of cooperation, insensitivity, ect. It's because of all of these things is why nothing in Nova ever gets resolved and problems only get more complex and impossible to deal with. 

Can you specify people who were the cause of this environment? Because I swear people who stay at nova in the mean time weren't the ones doing it and it was more the people you continue to have the back of like Zero and Talon, possibly other names who're not currently on nova that I'd rather not mention as to not invovle more parties in this already big mess but yeah it was basically the people I keep whining at and you all just kinda brushed me off. I want to resolve things, you and these people didn't because the Internet is not serious and it's all just memes and autistic people basically should be nowhere online or offline.

charizardf1 wrote:You keep claiming me bias when you always completely ignore when I say things for the other end, all you ever see is the things i say against you and that's it. The proof of me not being biased is in previous posts as well as in luna itself so I'm not even going to fight too much on how I'm not bias at all when it's in your face already. 

Bias is not strictly being completely for one side without the other it matters how much you stand for each fairly depending on the information you have of the situation and who's more in the wrong, these details definitely do matter and could make you anywhere from a bit biased to extremely biased. I'm sure you, I and many people have been guilty of bias in some way but it's the more reoccurring examples and ones that harm the chat most in being so that need to really be called out.

charizardf1 wrote:The war hq channel isn't a channel directed at hate towards Nova. Let me emphasize again that the whole calling it a war was a meme and that alone. You're the only ones taking that so seriously when I've already addressed on multiple occasions that isn't the case. The channel was simply a place where people like Talon and i would express our thoughts on the foolishness that was going on. It wasn't even Spin's idea in the first place, he wanted to rid conversing about it overall but I needed a space to vent and express my confusion on the situation going on. 

Yeah, I don't dream it up to be a legitimate war with you coming at us wth firearms and shit, it still alludes to the fact that you guys do acknowledge we're at odds with each other and there's a discourse to be had. That of which you did not handle maturely, we were very displeased and had to respond in kind.

Whether Spin was for or against it initially only matters a little bit cause some of the things he said were extreme and only coming out of a person who wants his opponents to submit and admit the mistake he thinks they made when the pressure of having an abandoned chat weighs too heavy on them.

charizardf1 wrote:You're going all over the place with this Zero thing. You can't just piece all those situations together as if they all mean the same thing, they are all very different situations and things have changed between all those years. Firstly still to this day you don't know that situation between Tam and Zero entirely and it wasn't even your problem in the first place. There was no bias in what I have said because I've clearly stated how Zero provoked Tam in the past but in this situation Tam was deadass the one in the wrong for said reasons. You need to understand that I've also had disagreements against Zero as well many times in the past but for some reason all you ever want to remember when something is against u is the details that is most convenient for you. If I was so biased to Zero I literally would just say he never did Tam wrong ever and Tam is just hating on him because she's jealous or some bs. I know for a fact that I've said multiple times that Zero is not an innocent good guy I really swear you don't read a lot of what I post.

I don't think you can look at drama situations in a vacuum because piecing them together tells you something about the character of the involved people, their moral convictions and how they tend to handle things. Not to say no one can ever change for the better or move on by admitting they did wrong in the past but change for people other than the one doing it would be confirmed by action and notable change in behavior rather than a verbal declaration of regret and hope for the better alone.

It wasn't your problem either yet you were Zero's righthand man and companied him throughout the thing even coming to the chat that I made for Tam and Zero to discuss things, *possibly* and huge emphasis on possibly before you take a bite out of my ass meat, because you believed I was really for Tam's side and that Zero had to have one of his own as well. If an administrator had no business in handling this then a member with no moderation role shouldn't either but the thing is they made their problem the entire chat's and by extension my problem more than yours yet I was left in the dark about many details from both your side and Tam's. That event was part of what made me give less shits nowadays because if I'm not trusted I'm not sure if I can return the trust I'm not given.

Did you? If so, I don't remember and if you really mean it then I apologize, I'm scatter minded at times and can forget details like that. Though even if you did say a thing or 2 in Tam's defense I'm not sure if it was fair to basically work towards making her out to be the one to blame most considering all things known.

charizardf1 wrote:I don't understand why you're bringing up the Tiff thing since that is a thing of the way back past and things were extremely different back then, but you're also somewhat wrong on that. It's very true that Nova was also involved in that moment when they followed tiff to youtopia. I didn't just blame them though i was also furious at the skype crew too at that moment. I had literally shunned myself away from both communities for like a week or something. Joe scolding you was not my intent either. Since it's your chat of course he would firstly assume that you enabled it in some way. I personally though knew you wasn't involved or agreed to people executing that movement.

The Tiff thing was one of the things that came to mind as I went into a downspiral of negativity as my relationship with you and many others kept worsening and made me question if I was really good friends with a lot of you to begin with how little things can make things turn upside down for us. That is not to blame you entirely for it but moreso to think about the possibility that maybe I overestimated the level of our friendship.

You should've been able to stop Youtopia from being hurtful to me though and you didn't, probably best to not assume why because you'd open that record for me again but I'd like to take note of that either way.

charizardf1 wrote:The thing about this specific scenario is that I dove into this doing nothing to anybody. I was simply just away from Nova and all of a sudden I have people wanting my head. Of course I will endlessly try to figure out what is going on and try to figure out why these people are coming at me sideways. My venting wasn't an attempt to continuously jab at Nova, it was to take the actual situations that went on and try to make sense of the random foolishness that yall think up. Everything I've said only purely related to exact discussions between us. You're not calling me out for anything you're making up what you think I'm doing without any type of clarification. I've been confronted and addressed about many things I've actually done in the past and I've never whined about it. I either said "yeah I did that" or "No I don't remember doing that at all" and continue my day. I have never had an issue with somebody simply criticizing me this isn't even what this is about. 

That's a huge exaggeration on your part, people were at worst disappointed in what they heard from you and expected you to have been above saying that on Luna but nobody other than like Chris who's always going overboard with these things was really calling for you to be executed or whatever. Onox was even really sad about how the chat viewed you and Talon while he was asking about the possibility of forgiving you and moving past all this. If only it were that simple. There's no slander only a negative response to negative comments from you said behind our backs where we can't see whether the chat is open for people or not.

You're not being accused of some kinda big crime, that's said about luna in general and how Spin is handling things but it's dishonest or maybe inaccurate for you to say we said that about you specifically.

charizardf1 wrote:Again i express that any ideas you think of what intents being made you need to confront and talk about it instead of just instantly thinking "hey i know what's going on guys." You've always followed this line of thinking and it has never worked for you at all. All you end up putting yourself in is a deeper and more convoluted standpoint and it gets so complicated for you that you just end up giving up because you're unaware of how to fix it. 

Again, for the hundredth time, when I've tried that in the past not necessarily with just you but many people where I try to be a benevolent priest and sit with them on a bench to hear from the I've only been used as leverage against their enemies through sympathy or some other envoked emotion and not many told me the truth for what it is, why exactly would I keep trying the thing what shot me in the leg and kept making the chat's situation as I continue to be a naive little Mr. Believer? I'd argue that being brash and trusting my instinct now has only done the chat good by presenting troublemakers with the options of changing their behavior or leaving the chat for people who wanted nothing more than to enjoy it.

charizardf1 wrote:If you truly held these relations dearly you wouldn't just look at this situation 2 dimensional and quickly label people with no showing of cooperation. You're the only one that has shown to not really care about what we think or even attempt to entertain any of our thoughts and instead continue to look at this as if it's a fight you should win even though we keep trying to tell you that non of us are trying to fight in the first place. 

Yes, if you would be so kind as to READ you would realize that now I don't seem to give enough shits to hold onto people with all my strength because I've felt sidelined and used, now it doesn't look like a wise thing to me to depend on the value people have for me and how much I honor them to get pleas for the betterment of nova across. Got no one to blame but yourselves for how I've become and I'm not even being unfair now, I just find it making less and less sense to hold dearly into people who're drifting apart anyway from me because of political stances or because their drama frontline matters more than my wish for us all to be proper friends.

charizardf1 wrote:It's really funny how y'all keep saying that I'm scared of taking accountability about things when I'm one of the only few people who seem to do so. I literally have never cared about being told I was wrong about something and has always been one of the first people to always openly be like "yeah i know i did something wrong." I don't ever see that with most of you though. Y'all value your pride above everything else even at the cost of friendships you always want to believe you're right about something and not even consider the possibility that you might have gotten the wrong idea of some things. 

We're more uncertain on things than we let on and it should be evident in the fact that I even took the time to communicate with you after all things but what's the point in showing that to you when you're too busy opposing our thoughts and wanting to have it no other way than what makes sense in your mind? All this doom and gloom is really just a lot of people in the chat reaping what they saw. And I'm at my patience's end having lost 7 years of my life trying to get people who even at adult age don't understand the concept of selflessness and calming others with kind company and mature caring approaches for all who're not quite doing well at mixing into the chat. I've not always been this way but I don't think you're allowed to complain about it now just because you're missing how I used to be when you make no effort to return that trust.

charizardf1 wrote:Once again I am not on somebody's side I don't know how many times i have to explain this. I'm not at Luna now because I'm following Spin, I'm there because i simply want to be there. Just because I leave Nova doesn't mean I'm following somebody. As you say yourself people are free to leave and enter as they please so why does it raise a red flag when i choose to not be at Nova? I'm obviously going to prefer wanting to be in an environment that doesn't want to only put me down. This isn't about Spin at all I swear I'm way above the double digits repeating this.

Even if so you still said things about Nova and did not disapprove of the more terrible things they said being around them and I'm really not sure how people should take this or why they should give you benefit of the doubt that you don't give many yourself. There was no objection with you being there and just enjoying that community heck even if we were still on very good terms and you went to some other chat like "sorry guys I think I like that place better" it would be in our place to even question it and I'd support it wholeheartedly but then there's the fact that the slander is happening in front of you and you're adding onto it if by saying less severe things.

Even if you personally aren't sided with Spin there's people who kinda are and you need to make the distinction between comments that are directed towards you and ones that are said about the general Luna crowd.

charizardf1 wrote:Spin making her go crazy is only one side of it. You're again, even though you claim to hold tam as accountable, is ignoring the fact that Tam is just as damaging. You are the one only focusing on Spin and that's the only reason why I repeatedly keep bringing up that "hey you know Tam is also fucked up right?" They are both guilty, not just Spin. Timothy is just a meme name you're looking way too deep into that although I will apologize if it actually offended her in some way. I'm also not going to explain how I'm not biased again since it is also still in your face to go over. I also had already came forward in the past and admitted to how I snapped and was aweful for trying to do what i did to tam with the whole AOC thing so you can't really use that against me. That doesn't even fall in the line of bias, that's simply just me being an angry shithead and just doing a bad thing. It's also funny how you only target Spin alone as a problem starter but of course you're not the bias one.

I'd like to know how she's equally damaging when he's using the soft spot she still has for him to play with her strings and just present the ultimatum "hey so do you wanna forgive me and love me atm or do I have to go on a rampage again?", there's situation in which she punished Spin for so little like when he considered listening to Zero at all, yeah, but I don't think that matches the shit he's doing now considering she just wants to hang out at nova and talk about things then he'd show up for his seasonal round of make Tam feel terrible about things then go try your luck with whatever new Discord server is available to you rinse and repeat.

Spin's selfishness is a more major problem that's causing the chat troubles in more fields than you want to admit.

Refer to a previous part for the bias thing.

charizardf1 wrote:My point in all this isn't even to make people believe in Spin again. Once again I state that I am not in this with him I have my own problems with certain people and for wanting to leave. It is not related to just Spin, repeated once again. I have clearly done that with Tam. I've literally tried reasoning and befriending her for years as well as acknowledged she can be cool and a decent friend whenever she's not going nuts. Never have i once said that Tam is unfriendable. If she was I would never joke with her or play games with her or have any kind of conversations with her in the past. 

I felt as though the division with you largely had to do with Spin manners and how you're so strong on defending certain people? Otherwise it'd maybe be how you encouraged harmful behavior and did things in the name of darkness but other than idk what's this supposed problem you seem to think people have to do with you like they hate your haircut or something.

I don't think you hate, Tam, and I'm not certain that you want her removed but clearly there's an untrue narrative you're pushing and you want her to be dealt with in some way because you believe she's getting a special treatment which just isn't true.

charizardf1 wrote:What you are claiming of me is clearly slander and I'm still waiting on this proof of these claims. You're reasonings for thinking I left Nova, the actions you believe I've made, ect. All false. The only thing so far that is actually true is me calling people bland and I've admitted that with no resistance at all because I know that actually happened. Despite all of the things i hold myself accountable I still have yet to see y'all's. Y'all really do think we just up and do all this just to be bad for no compelte reason huh? There's nothing you've done at all to trigger these tumblings of events? We're simply just bad people that want to make Mado suffer and cry and turn on the people of Nova for a laugh. 

I don't recall brainstorming why you distanced yourself from nova I just know you're saying things that don't come from a supposed friend, or so I was thinking before explaining that you're emotionally confused or something, again I think you're mistaking a lot of things that are being said about luna in general as things that are direct at you specifically and I don't know why that is.

Well, I think you have your reasons, though not good ones. We failed to convince each other for the reasons we have doing these things and coming to an agreement of some which is why the division really happened. Spin didn't just wake up one day like "hmmm today I wanna make my own server and take some nova people I like to it with no intention to rebel or make mado feel bad" that's absolute not what he had in mind as proven with his conversations.

I think luna believes itself to be justified in doing this when it isn't and if it were by some chance it's  handling it in an extreme hateful way that only fits the SJWs they're being likened to.

Spin said he gets a twisted sense of satisfaction from the last part btw.

charizardf1 wrote:Most of everything I've said isn't even said behind your back. As I've said before I put everything into my posts as well. What about the things you and the others say? Just as they are letting you know what we are saying about some of yall we also spot the things yall say of us. The things you say however is always something new and something you never come at me for before. 

In front or behind us calling us bland and uninteresting in a time like this is one way to burn the bridge so, so much for caring too much to sever the bond so easily.

charizardf1 wrote:You're assuming things about how Luna is ran. It isn't even strict at all. It's probably about as loose as Nova is except Luna seems to respect individual people more and put our foot down when need be. Luna currently has no tensions, no bullying, and people there are all happy and interactive. It isn't some lifeless subreddit. If you want us to stop talking about your environment then how about you practice the same thing.

That's cool then I hope you guys are enjoying that place plenty and getting what nova couldn't give you, shame about Dean though who couldn't do the same.

charizardf1 wrote:People like Talon and I are partially the reason of a lot of the negative flaws the community adapted into how it is today. That is partially what I mean when I say the community was bad influence. As a senior member I treaded and followed down a bad path and it effected the people within the community to follow some of the things I used to enable. Things like "oh people who can't handle our speech can gtfo" and meming and making certain people uncomfortable just because they may be socially weird to some of us. Things like this was a practice amongst the community and eventually ended up being viewed as moreso justified. Hiving situations because it felt great to be right with a group of people. Lots of people respected these negative qualities and thought it was cool and made sense. So yes you're completely right about that and this is partially the reason why I stepped away and reflected on how terrible I was becoming and how it was effecting the community overall. 

I don't think Talon and you were leading a thing it was more the people you were influenced by that I mentioned multiple times in this thread but either way claiming nova was what's preventing you from letting go of toxicity when that's all I want from you guys is pretty dishonest.

charizardf1 wrote:The fact is you're the only people refusing to budge, refusing to listen, and refusing to try to resolve matters. At this point yall are the ones trying to make this into some dramatic issue. I'm only here to inform and attempt resolution. It seems to me that you only want to be right about something and for us to beg and plead at your feet for forgiveness as if we're the only people that has done wrong things. I'll never be desperate enough to do that. I'd rather not try my hand to keep friends that don't hold me on an equal footing. 

It's been a dramatic issue and luna's made it into one when the rest of us were just vibing and going on about our usual shit then Spin decides nova kinda sucks and you all stand up for it (whether that includes you personally or not).

Humbling people is not my intention, look at you assuming my intentions and doing the thing you're trying to fight. I just wanna say it won't be easy for me and many to just get over what was being said especially with how luna still does some lowkey shit and passive aggressiveness. 

I don't really care at this point if you choose to stay our friend or not because a lot of us already feel betrayed so it's probably in fair for you to feel some of that too. That depends entirely on how not you alone handle this moving forward but the rest of luna guys who had their fill of gossip about us and all the aspects they hate about us in their not-so-takeover server.



All of this was addreseds in previous parts.

I don't need to speak to you guys to get an idea of what was going on there lol. The things you were saying spoke a thousand words. I don't care about your justifications or excuses.

Well it clearly was deleted because of me. Because straight after my story went up you guys deleted it. Unless of course you're making out that was a coincidence? Care to explain the reason for it's deletetion or did it just spontaneously combust after I posted my story?

Yeah I knew you were going to miss that point. I thought about dumbing it down for you and then decided I couldn't be bothered. Like I said before people think you guys think you were superior to nova and that's a reason you guys are disliked... You can argue otherwise all you want. It's the way you came across. Not our fault on how you portray yourselves.

If you're unhappy with how you were perceived you only have yourselves to blame.

It isn't slander. You even just said it yourself you got rid of a whole channel targeting the drama. If you acknowledge that I'm not grouped with these people, then why continue to bring this factor up? I already understand the perspective outside people might have I'm only here to see yours. 

I wasn't doubling down on your bad times at all. I wasn't even aware of it. If you're saying your own rl struggles is the reasons for your recent actions that you regret then you should've just said that. Again you only seem to coddle Tam while targeting Spin again, typical. You act as if Spin has a handy dandy time and hasn't struggled with his own problems as well. 

I never said that my action was completely justified. In a real world scenario just because you're wronged doesn't mean your free to do wrong things. I literally admitted that I was wrong about that and addressed it but you're instead trying your hardest to twist it into me being negative in some way.

I did start off by trying to convince you Spin  is not that bad of a person. I don't see how that's bad in any sense. I simply gave you my thoughts and you concluded for yourself that you still don't like him and stand by your views. At that point I literally said to you that all i can do is respect your opinion and not try to push on that any further. 

I've already tried the calmly asking what's going on and why you're acting like this when this very first started but you never responded to it. At that point all i can do is try to make you realize how unreasonable you're being. 

I criticized way more than just that. I defended your reasons as to why you would be frustrated with Spin over the yiffy situation. I've spoken to Spin and broken down to him and made him realize why people would be upset and how he did things was bad. There's a lot of things you have missed on the things I've spoken against spin with in order to get him to understand how justified it was for people to be angry with him. 

I'm my own person. Yes we all left under similar circumstances but we all have separate reasons and a separate agenda. I just want to figure out wtf is going on and clear my name of bs while also in sequence addressing how it's also messed up how some people within nova are handling things while taking time away reflecting and . Talon most likely was fed up with how people continue to just see him as the same problem kid in the past and won't try to understand and respect who he currently is. Spin i guess just wanted to get away from the fact you supported yiffy or something. Like we are all on compeltely different agendas. I'm not driven by somebody else's thoughts. I will say that we do in a sense have a common goal to simply be heard and want people to get off their high horse and actually resolve things like normal people instead of people just pouting and trying their best to point figures at each other. 

I'm not saying all of Nova follow these cruel methods. I was influenced by myself and my own ego. After Nova was shifting into a different kind of community I felt insulted what it was turning into which started my downfall to being a worse person. I was conditioned to this mindset and at the time didn't realize how bad I was being as i gradually got worse. Surrounding people would follow my examples and I would try to put in people's heads how being the way I was was the cool thing to be. My first eye opener was when Redon was targetted and she was really hurt by it. Normally I would follow suit from the others who do these things to people but Redon was somebody I really respected and felt she didn't deserve that treatment. Then afterwards from really stepping out and observing things from afar I notice how bad the way I went about the community was. To that I also apologize for being a negative influencer to Nova over the years.

Like i said before I'm not blaming Nova directly, I blamed and took accountability myself, as I've already stated and clarified. I feel partly responsible that people have ended up approaching situations like this. My past actions truly backfired on me greatly. 

I've literally had the back of almost every single person at instances, even Tam. I never just continuously backed up just Zero and Talon. You only seem to pay attention to people i back up that are against you. 

The backstabbing never stops. I try to help somebody and always I get swagged, Alissa, Link, Tam, Spin, Talon, ect. It's happened so much because people love to jump the gun on things so hard then when i try to explain the real of a situation i get turned away. This doesn't really matter anyways because these aren't things i can really provide evidence for. Waste of time even mentioning.

Everybody plays a part in how the environment is even you. the community forges itself into what it becomes. It's not necessarily a thing you can really place blame on a group of people. However a community blends into is what it ends up. Like with both Spin and tam being in chat it becomes a chat of tensions between the both of them but if one exits then it shifts into something else. sensitive people mixed with trolls is inviting an environment of trolls taking advantage of sensitive people. So while I'm also a huge part of the environment being the way it is it also stems from everyone in some fashion as well blending into how it ends up. 

I've literally spoke exactly how Spin effected the chat yet you still label me as bias. I literally have said that Spin's action was the sole reason why this chaos is happening in the first place. I never even started speaking of Tam until I had to bring it up after you keep claiming how Spin is more damaging than Tam in an overall standpoint when both have been extremely damaging to the chat.

How exactly are we the immature ones when we're the ones who consistently keep trying to reach out and speak with you only to pout and ignore and wave us away and tell us how wrong we are and how right you are? I've literally only approached with questions and concernd and you keep interpreting things as me trying to attack when all I wanted was information. Claiming me to be sarcastic and trying to make you out as a fool and such.  You've even insulted me on multiple occasions, yet I've been immature about this. The only reason you're displeased is because we don't follow your claims like you want us to. 

Yes Spin was like that and like I brought up before I had a long discussion speaking with him to calm him down and make him realize how wrongly he was approaching the situation and such. He then reflected and realized his faults and then approached you in a much better way. At that point he wasn't trying to make you submit anymore to that situation and understood your side of things and only wished at that point for you to understand things from his end and such.

Yes the Zero/Tam situation also wasn't my problem. When I say it isn't your problem I'm making you aware that you're not obligated to all the details of their issue. Why should you be the first person I go to for their problem? You're no expert on problem solving and your record of truly resolving matters is not positive either. In your case I only provide upon the convenience/being asked. As admin your task is keeping conflicting matters away from your chat not being the hero and solving them. Sure you can involve yourself in the matter and help but your status of admin doesn't make you more important than the next guy who is also involving themselves. 

I'm only calling out Tam only strictly because of consistency. Just like how you call Spin out for being problematic. Both have been main focal points and that's something that can't really be denied at all whatsoever. 

I literally was completely unaware that you were approached as such in youtopia. I don't even remember that scenario. All i rememebr is that swamp got mad and started banning people then i just shut myself off from everything. I literally didn't even know joe came to you at all until you mentioned it now.

Everything said within war hq is literally no different from the post I've made in the other forum posts. Still i have yet for people to post these screens so I can explain whatever you're suppsoedly hurt from. Everything I've said mainly only related to our discussions before and how I was effected by it as well as expressing mass confusion about things. You people act like i've committed some crime because I'm being scorned for whatever reason unknown.

Of course your chat benefits with us gone because Tam, Link, and yourself have targetted us hugely with your own assumptions so much. With us gone you have no other enemies currently to speak against. It would be the literal same if the other end was to disappear. Everytime Tam or Spin has disappeared the chat has always consistently stayed at peace. When either one of them returned a random problem always erupted. If Tam ever encounters another person she randomly disagrees with yall will just end up with the same cycle all over again. Basically your idea of resolution is "anybody that tam dislikes is a problem for the chat and should fuck off."

I don't recall ever lying about anything. I have literally no reason to lie about things nor does it matter for me to lie about something. You may be speaking of other people but I've always just stepped forward with my honest thoughts on every situation. So again I'd wish for you to bring up a time I've actually lied because I really doubt i'd have any real reason to.

You really can't associate me with the people of Nova that has used you. Never have I once tried to involve or rely on you for anything it's always most everyone else. I've blamed the people of Nova so much for coming to you for everything then all of a sudden turning coat and being like "you're no help" or something within that nature. I've never done that to you. I never confronted you and been like "Mado please solve my situation please involve yourself in this matter." Forcing you into a situation unrelated to you doesn't make sense to me and is unfair pressure for you. I feel you should only direct that energy towards those who actually do that to you. So in that instance I can sorta understand why you would reach this point and end up like this. 

I don't understand why it's a problem for me to understand and make sense of this situation. So am I supposed to keep thinking of this situation as a mess and just stand on that? I'm opposing direct thoughts against me that I know is false because it's about me. I really don't see how that's wrong in the slightest either. The whole point of opposing your thoughts as well is to inform you of the truth. This isn't in any means to bash you it's just educating. You get offended when I try to tell you something. I've been calm at first and hell I'm still calm right now. I don't think my texts are expressing exclamation or aggression at all so i don't know what to tell you. 

There is no slander. I spoke directly following the sequence of our other past discussion. Please for the love of god stop holding these screens back so this can be addressed properly instead of leaving us in the dark of just "we saw everything."

Again I already addressed how Spin is the problem for this current scenario and never once mentioned Tam until you said something really silly. 

That's literally what I'm trying to figure out in the first place. I don't know why I had this random hate in the first place. I never even defended Spin's behavior at all I only spoke against the unhealthy targeting the chat had towards him. The weird fixation and rabbid growling hatred for Spin. Yes, I understand, he fucked up, but acting like that and such is really unwarranted especially since he hasn't clapped back at you on the same level. I assume me showing concern for the unhealthy levels of hatred is what started it but I don't know. i wasn't here for this decision same as back when AJ accused me of said action. 

Tam definitely is getting special treatment 100% because she's the mental girl with the tragic backstory and you feel sorry for her so in turn you "understand her" and ignore/make her actions as if she isn't doing much. There's so many things you don't see and you probably mainly just see Tam coming to you with a sob story or something. Spin and Tam have definately been about the same level of being a problem overall in the past yrs and I stand by that. But sadly this is just my own view vs yours. What you also see is different and it's not my place to convince you.  

I want you to say with confidence again you're thoughts of what you think Luna is then watch over the server and say it again. There's no hate involved with Luna it's the exact opposite. I'm an individual, Talon is an individual, ect. Luna's environment has nothing to do with our individual problems. 

I've said those things because y'all initiated and hurt me. I even apologized for that and said i didn't really mean what i said. Where's the apology for the things y'all say?

I was never aware Dean was even in Luna in the first place. I assumed that he dealt with our singular problem individual who has by now already been stripped of power. Depending on what Dean has actually done he might have deserved it. I have no clue nor will entertain it since it isn't a situation i know about. 

I never said i was leading it i said we were part of the reason for the influence of negative actions. Nova did entertain this toxicity not everybody shared the same sentience as you did. Also never claimed Nova was preventing me from letting go I only stated that stepping out made me realize my wrongdoings.

Spin simply made a chat and moved on. Not sure how that is exactly dramatic. Luna is not involved in this conflict at all. Luna is literally irrelevant. 

keyword "it seems" meaning it's an obvious assumption. I'm not labeling what i said to you as fact I'm just expressing how the way your acting is making it look from my perspective. You specifically started this act of betrayal and all I've only ever done is try to reach out but all u keep doing is just wanting to view me as negatively as you can and not consider anything I say at all.

Reply coming tomorrow, I need to sleep right now.

First of all:

It is slander, I explicitly mentioned that I removed the channel for even older dramas that are loosely connected to this recent thing at best, I had no intention of hiding conversations about lunastorm, I made this change as soon as we moved to Discord so the conversations couldn't have taken place in that old general. It's my decision as the owner to start a blank page for the members and for how much you hate conjuring things and figuring out on your own you seem to have no problem assuming why I'm doing things yourself.

I thought this thread was trying to communicate with all those who are concerned not me personally, I separated my own thoughts from the general idea the server has and made it clear with words when I was saying things I personally thought.

For my own perspective I don't see you the same as those who talked major shit but you did say a couple things I've mentioned and you've owned up to then there's the things that's been going wrong prior to that what with you standing for Spin each time I get upset with him for saying the things he does about Yiffy, how he acts like he's above some folks and putting them under certain stereotypes and what we already discussed that happens between him and Tam. I was pretty much upset that you were letting people like him and Talon wreak in the chat by justifying it with the fact that I don't go at other people like that. That of which I don't see us seeing eye to eye on because you just don't seem to be convinced when I tell you Link's anger and wild comments doesn't equal Talon's weird prejudice against less intelligent people, not exclusive to Drago before you say, and how he's basically starting fights with anybody who has a thing to say about Spin.

It just seems like the only way you'd wanna have it is if I say "Oh, I guess Spin and Talon aren't worse than the others after all...so leave them all to just tear at each other? What next?" I would say it stems down from your lack of caring for the people they're causing trouble with but maybe you could fill me in with your reasoning that isn't "others did it too" and I really hope it's not interrogation int he form of "curious questions" this time cause I'm literally the one asking for information now as you wanted from me.



I mean I won't claim to be in your brain aware of what you know and what you don't but I know for a fact you've been around in many times I've talked about how stressful it is adjusting to my far less than perfect new life and dealing with what the not-so-problematic Spin and Talon were coming at people with. I've mentioned to you in person if I'm not mistaken that I've stepped over the line and was overly vulgar and hostile about things and even apologized for it and don't see why I have to repeat myself, you need to do some reading or remember things better maybe.

I am well aware of how much Spin struggles and we've had long conversations about it but Spin doesn't have anywhere near as bad as Tam does, I sympathized with him for the longest time even in times you yourself couldn't stand him but I guess the present undoes everything that precedes it, I have very good reasons for why I changed my mind on him and it makes no sense for someone who was formerly considered a best friend to that person to just randomly turn on somebody a 180 for no reason at all, I just thought about things and realized that for how much Tam's struggling she's trying harder than Spin who's having it less hard and is ultimately selfish about all manners of things, I'll touch upon this later so don't presume shit yet.



I don't know how I'm being negative, all I asked for when it comes to that is for you to own up to it and that's what you did and how it ends. I'm not trying to make you feel guilty for life or some shit if that's what you're assuming.



If it ended at merely asking me to reconsider my stance on Spin I wouldn't have commented about it here but you seem to chime in and play his lawyer MOST (and huge huge emphasis on most before you act like I said all the time) the time when he's spreading bad vibes by interrogating me and sending a bunch of questions. "How do you know?" "Why do you do?" "What makes you think?" I can't provide the mountain of DM logs I had with him and all the talk I had with others about how he is on a plate of gold for you to be completely convinced and give me the greenlight to do my job in moderating the chat or just stopping a person from causing harm. Same could be said for how you are with Talon as well.



You'll keep denying this but the truth is when you come at me with these threads or even confront me in chat your entire approach towards me interrogation and making me doubt the things I've witnessed with my own eyes just I can't sum it all up in a digestable package for you, many people other than myself would've stopped bothering then and there and the fact that I'm putting this much time and effort into communicating with you now and even before shows that I'm being far less than unreasonable even if I disagree with your points.



I didn't miss a thing of it, I think I mentioned a few times now that I don't think you're completely with or against somebody I just don't think you have your ratios and are not being fair in doing so. Whatever you've done right when it comes to that is commendable but isn't enough because you still stood as an obstacle between me and solving things.



It was a place that Spin built out of spite for me that then out, being out of control of your emotions, used to say bad things which I suppose doesn't matter now that you acknowledge it but just what kind of impression were expecting people to get from seeing that? Talon still causes problems by being incessant on turning Nova into a left chat despite us showing no interest in using adopting these policies and really just wanna continue to be the way we are and that anybody who doesn't like that can seek elsewhere cause chat's not gonna be influenced by politics for the sake of some people political alignment. He also is very bothered that I don't have a positive view on the LGBT groups in my mind, I believe it should by my own right to think what I want with them as long as I don't act upon it with prejudice and malice, and over the years despite knowing Talon is kinda bi-curious he's remained an important friend to me that I kept bailing out even in instances when the entire chat has had enough of his noise and wanted him gone at all costs. The shit he's saying in the other thread doesn't mean a thing to me because I know he's the one refusing to make things better between himself and the chat by being so adamant with his proposal for ending the use of n-word and calling people fags or whatever, that's not going to happen and he doesn't need to be harmful just because we refuse to be the way he wants.

This being on a high horse and refusing to consider your side of things stems from the things I explained what with you communicating in a weird manner that confuses me and amounts to nothing and Talon/Spin's insistence on continuing their woke protests as well as attacking "nova minorities" for their weird lifestyles or characters often relentlessly putting people under stereotypes in the same fashion they ironically try to fight with their political standing. It just seems futile, draining and amounting to nothing to even try to communicate with people who do these things.



It's nice that you changed for that better in that regard and realized that it's ugly to see people who don't know how to deal with trolling or insensitivity deal with such things but maybe it shouldn't have taken someone you really care about as a buddy to see this, to put yourself in other people's shoes is to be able sympathize with all people no matter how familiar you are with them just as much as they deserve.



Suppose we're on the same page when it comes to that. I as well agree and once more apologize as it wasn't justified for me to say overly insulting things and be needlessly aggressive towards all just because I was done with them.



The influence you have on the chat varies and depends on how many people do the same thing as you to create that kind of environment and sadly the skype crew guys and whoever is a toxic shit in the time in question would usually be the majority that all my attempts to stop that negative attitiude from spreading are near worthless.

The tension between Tam and Spin is usually about Spin harassing Yiffy or the failed romance and Spin kinda prompts both to happen so it's kinda clear who makes these things happen. Tam started her own wars in the past over people who were kinda affiliated with people or people she just kinda brashly lashed out on out of frustration and paranioa, you literally did and admitted to doing some of that and she her self states often that's guilty of doing that and wants it to no longer happen so I don't see where the problem we have with her here is, it's majorly just Spin being sad about unrequitted love and that his political idea of how the chat should be isn't pandered to.

Maybe we should not enable troll by not being allied with them in doing mockery and then no one in the chat would be having any problem.



They're not equally damaging, Spin is literally a major part of why Tam was acting the way she does and it wasn't just her cause the pouty shit was affecting all of nova and he was putting a lot of people in trouble for nothing often suspecting people like Drago, Stew and Kitty who have nothing to do with much of being some secret agent out to do shit or putting people in serious trouble like he ruined Yiffy's reputation beyond repair, all Tam does is complain about people she thinks are telling slander about her in gossip networks that do in fact exist whether she's right or wrong about in the given example I don't think it's the same malicious shit Spin is doing even if it's whiny.



Explained above but I'll repeat. Your questions usually come in the form of interrogation and asking about things I can't possibly dedicate the time in turning into a summary you can digest I'm not going write an essay about each detail in the years of my interaction with Spin for you to understand why I'm taking the approach that I take. All I can do is say I have good reasons and touch upon the more recent things. All these questions seem to me as an attempt at making me doubt the things I've seen with my own eyes and spent hours upon hours rationalizing while you don't find anything convincing because I don't give you each little boring detail of how I got to that point.

Once more I've admitted that I was needlessly vulgar about it that because life was being pretty harsh for me at the time and you guys kinda ended up making it worse for me in the worst time possible so it was a point in which I started to wonder if it's even worth the effort to even bother with you all.

I think you're the one displeased I don't follow your claims like you want me to.



Spin's entire point in the last return was "why don't you guys apologize for reacting the way one would expect you to to my negativity? if you don't I'm gonna frown and leave again to stay true to my cycle of immaturity". The only thing to understand about his end is that he'll be mad and ragequit if he doesn't get things the way he exactly wants and even you agreed to that one point before.



I think I've solved more things than you give me credit for but starting with the skype crew shit people began to prioritize trolling to cooperating with me. You don't have to mockingly say it like I was trying to be a hero, I don't understand how it makes sense in your mind that an admin only has to keep that talk away from the chat while you who only have anything to do with it by association with Zero is closely involved. It's the role I've always taken with each problem and the one no one other than and maybe Talon/Spin really commented on cause everybody knew that's what I wanted and had to do.



I know Tam consistently gets involved in problems but that means fuck all without considering the details, even you and I arguably get involved in shit consistently because we want to have a voice in what's happening and wanna make it go a certain way whether be it to put a stop to it or make certain people stop causing trouble. I keep saying but you don't wanna have that Tam's issues are sparked from being wronged by other people she never ever just goes out of her way to like mock someone or make them feel bad just because which Spin or Talon would do to you just by being in a certain stereotype they don't find unappealing to themselves. Yeah, sure, sometimes Tam gets people who have nothing to do with things dragged in or accuses people without enough proof and I do call her out on that and ask her to stop just the same even though it's not entirely baseless and often times the people she does that to are affiliated with gossip shit in way or another, it's rare she just gets petty with someone out of nowhere and for no reasona and I once again put huge emphasis on the fact that I don't claim she's doing no wrong. I just don't and won't ever buy the idea you're trying to give me that she's being the same way Spin is.



It was happening in front of you, unmistakably you were in the chat telling them about it moments before I came to youtopia and had Sara mop the floor with someone she just met with insults and Chick, Swamp, Austin and Joe being passive aggressive and cold to me after I spent a long time being part of that chat. It didn't matter to me at the time and I really just thought you were still unstable from the Tiff events so you couldn't stand for me so it wasn't a big deal but then in the future the turn of events made me think back to situations like that and wonder if our friendship was much to begin with.



You once more exaggerated the stance people have with you and can't make a distinction between the general view on luna and just you. The shit that was said in war-hq was definitely not the same shit that was written in the forums because it had a tone of supriority and mockery in it that even the seemingly peaceful people like Naid took a part in and a lot of you acted like we were right wing pedo sympathizing peasants that are below honoring ourselves with your majestic presence whether you personally agree with what they said or not, that's what happened. We already discussed what you said by yourself.



No, I don't believe Tam will repeat any of that even if you and Talon show up again, maybe not with Spin, Chris might just do that because that's how he's always been and I still try to get that dumb crap out of his brain. But this peace has proven that in the absence of some individual's selfish endeavors to adjust the chat to their liking and make people do what they personally want the chat stays at relative peace and we just do what we're meant to do in it.

That's just false, if I'd just wanted to get rid of anybody Tam dislikes I'd have banned you and Zero right off the bat for being trolls and most people probably wouldn't even object to that with the image you gave for yourself being the darkness bringing joker that you were but I didn't take advantage of that and wanted to solve things fairly. Spin is an inconvenience for me more than he is for Tam and I think he harms the chat as a whole with his selfish immaturity so yes I'd love to not see him again as long as he stays the way he is now.



You lied just now about me deleting a channel to hide evidence and continue to lie about having a channel where people basically made a mockery out of their former friends and crapped on them for weeks, I don't care if you want to see screens because if you deny that until I post them you're being insincere and there's no reason for me to even do this entire discussion.



I don't keep a database of old conversations and I doubt I can even provide proof that Tina or Alissa came to me for help when everybody knows they did I just in good faith expect you guys to trust my integrity cause idk why else you'd propose having this discussion to begin with if all you want out of it is opening a court case where I drop screens for you of each and every instance that happened or name a specific example off of the top of my head. I'm way too scatter minded to just keep close accurate track of what happened in each moment leading up to this point but what stays in my head is the feelings you guys left me with upon doing things and that doesn't leave my mind so any change of treatment from me is something you inflict upon yourself. I likely got some people a taste of the negativity that others caused to build up in me which I apologize for subjecting them to it but definitely it's not some ridiculous scenario where Tam or whoever washes my brain and I just randomly start swagging people because all it took for me to do a 180 is hearing words from.



You give me clashing ideas of whether you're just trying to understand things because you're literally unable to understand what's happening or trying to correct something we believe ourselves. There's no need to beat around the bush, Char-sensei, you're trying to push a certain idea that I'm holding some people more reponsible for things than I should and some less so than the others which I simply won't agree with until you give me convincing reasons to because I didn't form the opinion I have now lightly and without careful thinking. I just get the impression that you're trying to change my mind using the short path and the easy way around even if that's not what you're trying to do, that's how it's looking to me and if going about in this way where you keep interrogating and comparing Spin and Talon to others I am afraid I'm not going to change my opinion on things.



You know what you said, and I told you what you said directly and you agreed to saying, what everybody else said shouldn't matter to you and just the same they're aware of the massive crap they dumped. You agreed with Mitch they talked shit and so you should agree with me too, I would think.



If it were up to me I'd never bring Spin or Tam up to discuss their problems again but they're kinda intertwined with what we're discussing now so as long as you argue with my decisions regarding these matters I'll continue to say my side of things but if you're done with it which you seem to be we could leave that one behind and give both of them peace of my mind from now on.



The "hate" people have for you which is because you said nova is bland without you and some other shit others have seen so as soon as you apologize for that there'll be no need to be confused or lost.

Spin's self motivated actions put people in trouble and many have criticized how much of a douchebag he acts about things. At one point it's him being an elitist with the videogames he's playing, at another it's him arguing about shit that doesn't even matter and being deeply offended that you don't literally share the exact same opinion as him, at other times he's trying to forcefully make us undergo the some moral improvement he went through and would settle for no less than never again saying nigga, faggot, autist as well as forcing me to not even think in my mind that transitoning is a harmful thing that it doesn't even matter if I don't discriminate against people who do that or make them feel excluded, it's special treatment and complete submission or war. He demonized Yiffy and continues to terrorize Tam with random bursts of calling her fake and then trying to win her heart with pity. 

When you think you've changed for the better that's not up for you to decide and declare in front of people and they're not obligated to just have faith in that immediately you have to show with action that you're done with that life which Spin isn't doing because to this day he's continuously doing that cycle of negativity dragging the whole chat into an unstable state of constant swings between peacefully to chaos to gloominess and then back to the start of it.

You'd have justified way more than I've done if you were in my position but for god's sake stop acting confused when you know I'm peeved about your relentless defense for both him and Talon. There's no questions or confusion you know what I want and it's up to you if you wanna stop giving me trouble or continue to be the way to be.



When I met Tam I regrettably immediately labeled her as a problematic political sexual deviant from tumblr and didn't want a thing to do with her noise. There's no special treatment, she earned her respect and I have to be the one to admitt that I was foolish and judgemental about her. Even with that I don't entirely agree with everything she does and she has made me upset by handling things in an immature way sometimes but I confirmed for myself that her moral foundation is more solid than a whole lot of people who come to nova and know that her wars while over trivial easily solvable matters don't stem from a place of malice and jealousy towards people.

You on the other hand were basically an angel in my eyes and I literally spent half of nova's life turning a blind eye to all your mistakes and trolling because I had faith you'd eventually drag yourself out of that rotten pit but you kept sinking down further and further which each drama. You're the one who had special treatment and regrettably so, you have no right at all in saying that about Tam.

You need to stop acting like you know what Tam tells me, you don't know what's being said in these "sob stories" so you really have no basis in saying she's winning pity by saying things, how about you go and ask her about these things personally like you want done so bad with yourself?



I saw enough, felt things and others agreed with me. I didn't go to anyone and point gun to their head telling to go around spreading the word that lunastorm is a devil, the truth of the bitchy gossip server was just kinda clear to the eye to see. Just refer to Mitch's post if you wont't take it from me.

I have no interest in seeing how the other uninvolved members are doing I don't think Spin is batshit insane enough to want a server that's just entirely dedicated to whining about Nova, I'm sure the newcomers he brought want nothing to do with this like the people who used to be in nova do.


I'm fairly sure I apologized for being hostile when you were present at Nova before this thread and I will apologize once more if you haven't heard it enough, sorry for approaching that matter immaturely and without respect.

As for the others I can't really make them apologize for a thing you'll have to realize where your own problem with them lies, good on you for apologizing about that crap though.



Dean was removed for saying "faggit", which I suppose it's against the rules or whatever. Not the business to shove my nose into but it's just a bit amusing that Spin's real life friend got thrown for something so trivial. It just kinda emphasizes the way Luna operates for and shows an example of how it is for the people currently staying in Nova.



Spin made a chat that he tried to invite nearly every member of nova to and said and I quote "I get a twisted satisfaction from seeing Nova totally inactive for hours. I can't wait for Mado to finally concede & reconcile", how do we even play dumb with this one like how on earth can this be seen as anything but an attempt at revenge for how I was with him? There's just no excuse and he can't just say he wasn't in his right mind at the time to justify that because then I could say the same about each and everything all of you are unhappy with me for.

I think it's abundantly clear that I'm giving this a lot of time so you can't even say I'm not making an effort. Honestly, I've ignored many people's suggestion to just retain radio silence because it's easier that way because there isn't a significant chance that this will amount to much but I still feel obligated to not leave you making unanswered attempts.

can we take a moment to think about how char posted in member's threads rather than announcements?

This took awhile to read, there's a lot here but... a lot of it is around me isn't it? Maybe it's not appropriate for me to just play this character where we antagonize each other in this moment char.

If you'd like to know candidly I do feel quite guilty about some of the positions I've put friends like Mado and Rah in specific in. I really resented them and held it against them for awhile because they refused to see Zero as the person I said he was - Mado was ready to die on that hill saying regardless of everything, zero was his friend and zero deserved the benefit of the doubt.

Rah sympathized with me and tried to be supportive and kind to me for a long time, even taking a huge role in Hydro but I still got hostile with her just because she was friends with Zero and didn't wanna just take my word on things. I confronted her about this and she said some things about how she cares but she has her own life, her own problems and her own divorce she's going through.

I realized then how immature I was being even though these past events did upset me. She had some real problems while I was just busy trying to make her selfishly care about how upset I was by Zero's mean words on the internet. Some of my friends like Mado and Rah put some real effort in their own way to make me happy and give me some of the things I really wanted just by being around and supporting me in my little ventures outside of Nova.

I know how unreasonable I was in the past at times and I have said the things I do just to satisfy my own ego end up destroying myself too. I've had this issue for a long time but I'm doing my best and trying to get better.

I want to hate spin but even now I think I have a soft spot for some things I remember. I'm not trying to write up a sob story but before the Lunastorm events took place there was a moment where Spin was going to contact Yiffy and fix things on my behalf to prove mado's trust in him was worth it. I never wanted spin to be on bad terms with people like yiffy because of me or on bad terms with Mado because of me.

I acted in an outburst of anger at Spin and I don't even remember now. He probably said something not quite as I wanted to hear it or stepped on my toes and I blew up on him. Now it feels like I knocked over a line of dominoes that spiraled out of control because me doubling down on refusing to accept spin back made him double down on his "Yiffy is a pedophile stance" rather than the "I can fix this" one he had just earlier that week.

I honestly never expected things to go as far as they did. I was sad that Talon wanted to put me in my place because I thought we were friends and you might not believe it but... I actually don't want you to take this stubborn stance and end up leaving over it Char. I know we don't see eye to eye on much and it's not my place to say it but... I think you should fix things with Mado while you still can. He's put a lot of importance on you over the years and I think you feel the same way.

Just because we don't get along doesn't mean you should leave or Mado should shun you on my behalf. It took me like 5 years but I am slowly realizing not everyone is going to see things the way I want them and I'm done demanding your friends be removed on my behalf. Me and Zero made a deal or a bet and I could've had him permabanned if I wanted but I specifically said not to do it because I don't wanna be the reason he can't come back. I honestly hate the guy but... I like many of the people I met here like Mitch, rah, mado and I'm so tired of creating problems for them.

I don't even know how I can atone or be better fully but for what it's worth, I am trying.

You're one of the people who make nova what it is whether I like it or not Char. I don't really know what the right thing for me to do here is or how to do right by people even though clearly some feel like a lot of it is my fault. I'm not joining in Nova conversations talking about anti-luna storm or reveling in people like Talon being gone. Honestly I wish there was just a back button to undo a lot of that now. I got some hot negative takes on people like Talon but the part I cared more about was just posting silly pictures of talon making ramen or his pogo adventures, his new desk setups and things like that. Just because I put him on my enemy list doesn't mean I actually wanted him to leave or feel responsible for any of that.

All I really know how to do is try and engage casually without making problems in chat as best I can and try to support the community in the same way they've tried to support me by giving me random silly topics to focus on. Maybe I'm wrong but perhaps that's something you could still come back and do too when you're ready Char.

I saw it with my own eyes. While I cannot provide proof I have seen it directly and won't budge from my stance on that. 

This thread is about a lot of things but when speaking to you specifically I'm only addressing things concerning you for the most part. Part of this is literally about me trying to inform you the truth of my perspective of things. 

I didn't defend Spin's stance on the yiffy situation, I defended him from the overly hostile mannerisms Link, Tam, yourself, ect. displayed. I was trying to make y'all see how foolish and how y'all were turning the environment with how hard you tried to focus on hating spin and express to the chatroom how hard you hated him. Spin for sure has said messed up things to you and has bad past history but that doesn't mean it's ok to just treat him like this as well as spread these harsh feelings throughout the environment. You literally don't seem to realize that you yourself are a part of the wreckage of the chat. 

I legit deadass wish for you to explain how exactly Talon is such a major role of your viewing. Talon literally is probably one of the people you should least be angry with. All he ever does is come in, sees what's going on, and posts his own thoughts of the situation. A lot of the time people don't even pay too large of notice of what he says since they're moreso busy replying to other people within the chaos. You're the only person who flashes out and gets overly offended of his opinion. He literally doesn't effect anything.

Link's anger isn't justified at all. Just like yourself, he confuses many situations as hostile acts and amplifies them to levels that aren't necessary. Just because you understand and sympathize with Link doesn't mean it's totally cool to just brush what he does aside and focus on people that aren't even effecting anything. It all just boils down to that you don't like what/how Talon says things and it triggers you. You continuously keep assuming the intents of Talon and just straight labeling him without even attempting to entertain his actual perspective on things and you're confused on why he currently acts the way he does toward you. 

No, that isn't what I want at all. I simply want you to try understanding people better and stop just jumping the gun with your own conclusions. You don't like reaching out and truly gauging what people's situations really are from their perspectives. You need to think to yourself, "Hey I'm the outside looking in. I'm looking at things from ignorance," before concluding things. I know you say because of your history with people and such you refuse to listen to people anymore but you have to realize that actually only hurts you even more than benefits. You only dig yourself into a deeper line of confusion and frustration and you never get anywhere. 

The thing about your hostile behavior was already brought up and I had already acknowledged that before. We're way passed that. That isn't the only way you wronged us. You spread lies which lead to all these convoluted things toward me. You're refusal of taking in the words I say and just spreading only what's in your mind is effecting me and others and that's literally why we are still here right now, not because of your hostile approaches.

I'm not sure why exactly it's wrong at all for me to ask questions about things. Is it really so hard to simply get an answer? You refusing to answer and/or get offended only makes you seem more guilty to me. If you just answered things in a civil and normal manner instead of getting so riled and defensive about everything then things would flow smoother. I'm not supposed to just automatically understand all that goes on. Hell it would be funny if a lot of chaotic situations could have been avoided if you had simply just answered a question without aggression. 

Let's say this is true that Tam suffers more. How does it still justify that she can be brushed off and Spin gets all this targeted hate? Neither of their sufferings even matters much when they are doing something wrong. In fact even moreso this shouldn't even be looked at in a comparison manner. When somebody fucks up they fuck up. Let's say there's 2 people that shoot a person. Should they both be held to different standards just because of their past history? Well honestly i guess that does depends.....but point is that an action made is an action made. What would you have done to Tam if she had did what spin did? Would you just understand her position because of her tragedies and just nag her a bit then move on like normal or would you execute the same approach you did towards Spin?

You're your own obstacle. You're not even trying to solve anything you've literally have been trying to run away with it for the longest. This is the most you've actually tried to attempt any kind of resolution and even then you're still just here to point fingers and refuse you have done much of anything. 

That's your problem right there. You're always viewing everything as if somebody is out to get you. Saying things such as "interrogation" in a manner that I'm just trying to lash at you and such. I'm only simply trying to gain information and respond as such. If this way of speaking to you intimidates you so much then what is the best way to address, collect, and inform with you because that's the most proper way, from my own experiences, things actually reach a resolution point. 

I feel the exact same way. I see things with my own eyes and you deny the truth. So I guess until either side can actually provide actual evidence then we'll be on stalemate for certain things and if not there's no other option then to just drop these things. 

A lot of your problems with Talon seems to be moreso a personal problem between you and him. In terms of the chat itself he has no real effect with his words he's more harmless than Link himself. I can only continue to assume you act harshly towards him just simply because you strongly dislike a lot of his views and the way he says things as they merely trigger you. I don't agree with how Talon executes things completely but he's always honest and straightforward with himself. It's very understandable in my opinion why he's acting this way towards you and some others who treat him unfairly.

I don't blame people for having impressions, but keeping to ignorance makes you wrong in the end. That's the only thing I'll say regarding Luna itself.

Considering my words shouldn't be gauged from others. I've approached trying to be as civil as possible so why should I be punished because of other people's way of handling this situation. Also what is weird about my communications? All you have to say is your preference. 

I'm not sure why you're still trying hard to find negative in this. My bad for not seeing these things earlier geez. It's like you literally just only want to see negative in every single thing. I already understand I've been fucked up and blind for the longest I don't really think it's necessary to repeat it again. What do you want me to say in response to this? 

Tam doesn't take accountability for majority of what she does as well as doesn't feel bad for a lot of the things she purposely does. They are equally damaging because they've both targeted people and tried canceling them in some aspect. That's putting it in simplest terms. You've never even directly experienced situations where Tam has actually tried ripping friends from people and blackmailing. Tam has literally stressed me out over the years with a lot of pressure doing her best to try to get people to question me as a person. She's also done this with Zero, AD, ect. They both have cruel habits that effect people greatly. It's just that for your end Spin's actions effects you more personally then whatever Tam does so naturally one side weighs more than the other to you. 

That's some blind trust you have in Tam. You don't even have a valid reason to believe this statement. You're like Naruto preaching that Sasuke won't turn coat anymore just out of a whim. For someone who says they are losing trust in people you sure hold Tam to such a highpoint. 

Yes Tam initially starts popping off from somebody wronging her but afetrwards she just randomly rampages for no reason. Consistently her main people like Zero and I have only did one little thing that we would go back and apologize for which should indeed clear things up but she likes to hold grudges and stuff. Literally everytime in chat just mentioning Zero's name for any reasona t all would make her flair up and start going nuts even when nothing was done to her. Most problems she will immediately think "i bet it's probably Zero" even though the dude is nowhere in sight. Yet Zero's name continues to get labeled and put down even though the man is completely elsewhere just chillin at his cribe sippin on apple juice or some shit. Then when people like AD clarifies Zero's wherabouts and shares more incite on how he is as a person, now all of a sudden he's a bad guy out of the blue. There's literally nothing at all nomatter how hard you try to cap on his name that you can say AD has done anything remotely wrong to Tam to justify how she had treated him. You have 0 evidence on his name and literally nobody else can even back your claims. 

I know I had special treatment and I had taken advantage of it. That doesn't mean the same didn't apply to her. I need more perspective on how exactly Tam is supposedly such an improving person because from my end from the perspective of one of Tam's targets, she has barely if not improved at all in terms of taking accountability and trying to seek any kind of resolution.

I've confronted Tam a lot more than you realize and know more than you think. I know she doesn't confront with the intent of gaining pity points at least that's moreso what I lean on believing but it's just the fact of how you take what she says and what you do with it and such is what rubs me the wrong way. I probably barely touched up on this but Tam herself isn't even alone the problem, it's the surrounding people who don't properly handle the way she reacts to things which enables the repeated scenarios that keep happening. This is a reason for the longest time I stick to the fact of not hating her because while she tries so hard to knock me and other similar cases down, it's not entirely her fault.(at least that's the idea I try to lean more towards)

Nobody challenges your involvements because they like putting you into their problems to try to solve things for them. If your credibility is so true then why do the same problems keep repeating and returning so consistently and worsening. I don't have a problem with your involvements only that you feel like your so important and act like you know so much. This is what feeds your ego and gives you such false confidence, making it harder and harder for you to work with anybody as time goes by. Resolutions can be achievable once there's people with information all across the board that can form a team and place all the pieces together. You may know how to bring a situation to a temporary halt but I've never seen you abolish conflicting matters. 

A community is supposed to work together and address certain things in order to help make the environment better and better for the people within it. Just because people come at you with critiques on how the community could be better and how you could better go about things doesn't mean they want to take control. I could care less if at the end you choose to refrain from taking or entertaining the ideas i bring all that means is that you want a different direction than me. This is currently why I have ended up elsewhere and there's nothing wrong with that. If I wanted to try to control Nova I would do some type of campaign and really attempt to create some rebellion against Nova in attempt to take it over but I haven't done that, I simply left. 

Mitch doesn't know the entire story. He jumped into the boat learning of the discord shenanigans and forward on. So I can't refer to his posts pertaining yourself because I have seen you point gun and say aweful things about Luna and said individuals. 

Your the ones who keep saying things like "I have this and that of you." I'm simply just saying ok if you have it then post it. This is the same issue with Tam. If you have the evidence on you as you say and you hold to your claims so strongly then I'm not entirely sure why you wouldn't use it. I'm not holding it on you as well as pressuring you to believe that you keep track of everything because i know i sure as hell don't either. Utilizing your resources only helps bringing things to resolution point much faster and more accurately because instead of us just jabbering we can speak bouncing off of actual things. I'm pretty positive there's a lot of things on both ends that we either forget or miss when things were being said in the past and these types of situations are one of the most beneficial factors to these kinds of conflicts.

Your change of treatment towards me was completely random. Anytime I said anything at all you would raise an alarm on me for no particular reason. Just because I disagreed with how hostile you were being. Yes it's my fault then for attempting to calm the unwarranted flames. But i do suppose it only did it to myself for jumping into things as i usually do. Should've just let the flames continue as chat consistently just keeps rambling on about how much people hate Spin and such. 

I'm obviously trying to do both. I'm trying to understand what is going on due to the fact a lot of these things are so random as well as correcting the foolish ideas being brought to my name. For the most part I know whats happening but I didn't understand why there's so much drastic behavioral changes as well as people approaching situations in the most nonhelpful manner. I thought people would have more sense then this so when I see things like this it makes me question what possesses them to just up and think/do things this way.

It doesn't matter if other people agree with you on things you can still be wrong. For example you still don't feel convinced when Spin, Talon, Redon, Sew, ect. agree with me on some things. Why should I trust your word on things when you have people on your end that I don't trust and/or don't even know much about this situation. 

You already know that I'm saying you hold some people less responsible as well as some people more and I've already said a lot on that. I can't really say much more on it so if you're not convinced by now then I can't really say anything else. Don't know how else to really present it to you. 

As I clarified in response to Mitch this situation wasn't even about my preaching a change it's just something that came out of this experience. I don't care currently how seriously people are taking it and already understand that it will take time for people to notice this fact. I don't have these expectations nor does it matter if others acknowledge it because it's moreso just something for me myself. 

Not going to go in deep about Spin anymore since you're set on your own idea of him so there's no further point discussing his character and such. You have your view and I have mine so that's kinda concluded from now on.

Don't assume what I would have justified or not. If I was in your position I probably would've been a completely different person with a different approach. I still feel my defense towards Talon and Spin are justified since I still feel they have been mistreated.

I don't hold you responsible for other people's actions. They are them and you are you.

Regardless I don't know about Dean's situation at all and wasn't there for it. All I can assume is that he was more than likely disrespecting somebody and he got punished for it. If he's saying the word faggot I'm assuming it was directed at somebody however if he was just saying the word out of the blue just to say it is a different case. 

I can't really say anything against what Spin said in terms of that quote. I also tried to tell him that he shouldn't try to just invite nova people especially those who are already completely comfortable within Nova. It would be better to create his own environment. I am not Spin and I'm not sure exactly his initial intents as well as what he surely wants now. I've stated before that I'm highly aware of the negative approaches Spin, Talon, and such has made and didn't agree to them. In the end I'm not Spin's brain so I can't completely speak for him and only go off of the main direction he said he wanted of Luna, which is currently in effect and unrelated to Nova.

I only said you didn't make effort when you kept choosing to run away from this. Honestly radio silence would just confirm that all my own efforts doesn't mean a thing to anyone and would just signal me to stop caring. Of course even though I try making these attempts I already theorize it would also amount to nothing but I still didn't want to give up on things and at least still try. To me at least that means somebody who is willing to fight even the most impossible battles in attempt to achieve a better conclusion between people. 

This will probably be the last huge post I'll be wanting to post for now. If you respond I'll probably just read it and maybe just summarize only certain key points in a smaller fashion. I'm getting lazier and my days are already long enough. I typed this response piece by piece throughout the day lol. I'm surprised everything I've typed hasn't disappeared overtime.

O that other post was in responce to mado btw....

Tamicat wrote:This took awhile to read, there's a lot here but... a lot of it is around me isn't it? Maybe it's not appropriate for me to just play this character where we antagonize each other in this moment char.

If you'd like to know candidly I do feel quite guilty about some of the positions I've put friends like Mado and Rah in specific in. I really resented them and held it against them for awhile because they refused to see Zero as the person I said he was - Mado was ready to die on that hill saying regardless of everything, zero was his friend and zero deserved the benefit of the doubt.

Rah sympathized with me and tried to be supportive and kind to me for a long time, even taking a huge role in Hydro but I still got hostile with her just because she was friends with Zero and didn't wanna just take my word on things. I confronted her about this and she said some things about how she cares but she has her own life, her own problems and her own divorce she's going through.

I realized then how immature I was being even though these past events did upset me. She had some real problems while I was just busy trying to make her selfishly care about how upset I was by Zero's mean words on the internet. Some of my friends like Mado and Rah put some real effort in their own way to make me happy and give me some of the things I really wanted just by being around and supporting me in my little ventures outside of Nova.

I know how unreasonable I was in the past at times and I have said the things I do just to satisfy my own ego end up destroying myself too. I've had this issue for a long time but I'm doing my best and trying to get better.

I want to hate spin but even now I think I have a soft spot for some things I remember. I'm not trying to write up a sob story but before the Lunastorm events took place there was a moment where Spin was going to contact Yiffy and fix things on my behalf to prove mado's trust in him was worth it. I never wanted spin to be on bad terms with people like yiffy because of me or on bad terms with Mado because of me.

I acted in an outburst of anger at Spin and I don't even remember now. He probably said something not quite as I wanted to hear it or stepped on my toes and I blew up on him. Now it feels like I knocked over a line of dominoes that spiraled out of control because me doubling down on refusing to accept spin back made him double down on his "Yiffy is a pedophile stance" rather than the "I can fix this" one he had just earlier that week.

I honestly never expected things to go as far as they did. I was sad that Talon wanted to put me in my place because I thought we were friends and you might not believe it but... I actually don't want you to take this stubborn stance and end up leaving over it Char. I know we don't see eye to eye on much and it's not my place to say it but... I think you should fix things with Mado while you still can. He's put a lot of importance on you over the years and I think you feel the same way.

Just because we don't get along doesn't mean you should leave or Mado should shun you on my behalf. It took me like 5 years but I am slowly realizing not everyone is going to see things the way I want them and I'm done demanding your friends be removed on my behalf. Me and Zero made a deal or a bet and I could've had him permabanned if I wanted but I specifically said not to do it because I don't wanna be the reason he can't come back. I honestly hate the guy but... I like many of the people I met here like Mitch, rah, mado and I'm so tired of creating problems for them.

I don't even know how I can atone or be better fully but for what it's worth, I am trying.

You're one of the people who make nova what it is whether I like it or not Char. I don't really know what the right thing for me to do here is or how to do right by people even though clearly some feel like a lot of it is my fault. I'm not joining in Nova conversations talking about anti-luna storm or reveling in people like Talon being gone. Honestly I wish there was just a back button to undo a lot of that now. I got some hot negative takes on people like Talon but the part I cared more about was just posting silly pictures of talon making ramen or his pogo adventures, his new desk setups and things like that. Just because I put him on my enemy list doesn't mean I actually wanted him to leave or feel responsible for any of that.

All I really know how to do is try and engage casually without making problems in chat as best I can and try to support the community in the same way they've tried to support me by giving me random silly topics to focus on. Maybe I'm wrong but perhaps that's something you could still come back and do too when you're ready Char.

This is probably the first I've ever seen you like this. From reading all this I can actually for once notice the growth Mado keeps trying to preach. I'm kind of exhausted to really type a storm at this point but I think I can probably keep this one brief. Even though your name is brought up a lot and such I don't entirely blame everything on you. I've always understood your position but I've just always had a confusing and more direct approach when it came to you especially since we have personal history. This current situation kind of wasn't even really about you in the first place and it kind of branched into discussing things about you in the crossfire so for that I kind of apologize. You've kind of been ghost lately and trying to back off of things so it really shows to me that you at least weren't trying to be as big as a problem anymore.

Your other posts still raised so many red flags for me to want to trust in anything you had to say. It still seemed to me that you were the same as you always were. From this however you're giving me a glimpse of something different that could be built upon. If you stay consistent like this then maybe things can turn for the better. 

Overall though my leaving isn't just based off of you it's the environment and the vibes i give off overall. Especially at my current time in life it's important that I keep my morale at a good point. I need to stick to an environment with the least tensions as well as do what I feel would benefit both ends more. Clearly despite how you feel that I am a huge part of what makes Nova Nova, I feel that saying this is kind of a good reason why I shouldn't be there. Nova needs to remold itself with more positive influences to hold onto a peaceful and trusting environment. So don't feel guilty for me not wanting to stay anymore because this is entirely my own issue to begin with. I really appreciate you coming forward with this for once you give me some kind of hope.

I'm not that different from who I used to be - I don't really like breaking character but even with the things I hold a grudge over - I don't enjoy the state of things with everyone split down the middle. I could write paragraphs on it but it's already so over complicated.

I've burnt a lot of bridges with things and people I cared about in my life over things that shouldn't matter and now I can't fix them. I don't know if you would care about any advice I have for you considering our past but... I wouldn't recommend taking the same path just to have your hill to die on. I've given people I cared about ultimatums because of what was important to me but it's.. honestly really depressing and isolating to feel your connections slip away just because you couldn't take a hit to your pride. Everyone at Nova wants to take this stance of "Well, we're better off without them anyway if that's how they're gonna be" - I know for a fact at the very least Mado is saddened to lose the friendship he used to have with you. It is more peaceful and I guess that benefits me but it wouldn't feel right to just cut people like you or talon out forever and not give you way back in. Even if you leave I feel like the door should be left open because time changes feelings and opinions a lot, things we care about today aren't things we'll care about a year later. The biggest things I cared about were Jess, spin and yiffy because it felt like I lost the ability to really interact with them like I used to ever again and now it can't be fixed. I don't think you want the same to happen between yourself and Mado.

Onox and Link have been critical of you Char but also... since when do you take them so serious? Onox still enjoys you around obviously and link... changes his mind on things a lot. I don't think you should take things like that to heart. You never used to care much about the harsh criticism and thoughts I had of you, at least that's how it felt. So it's genuinely surprising to me to hear you say how much grief it caused you over the years.

I only responded to you paragraph by paragraph because when I don't do that you say I'm not reading or ignoring some of your points.

I have given you permissions to the old general, it's untouched and quite the same way it was before I moved it to the archive so be so kind as to copy the bit where we said things we don't already say and wanna "hide".

So but then the question concerning Spin is, why exactly do you try to defend him from our hostility? In the last time he returned before he made lunastorm he was talking about how Yiffy is a predator, how Tam is actually a catfish male, mocking me once again for my lifestyle and choices and also putting some people under weird stereotypes because of their quirks and being "less normal" so to say.

How far does he have to go before we can respond in kind? And doesn't it make more sense for you to stop him for me doing the very things that cause hostility instead of taking turns at nagging him and asking us rhetoric questions about why we treat him this way? It was very clear he's the source of the problem and if he had stopped and Tam, Chris or even me were to continue it would be unjustifiable for us and something could be said but that's not what happened then, hence why I was so stubborn at being in his face and sometimes losing control of my emotions with him.

Talon was in Nova before you were when it was mad for possibly an entire year, my approach towards him is not new and has been so ever since I've known him save for the times he was chill. Talon is a problem because of several things, he harasses people he doesn't deem up to his standards in intelligence level and other things, it extends to more than just Drago and has been happening since I've known him if he's stopped a few times to not get banned. When he argues with political stances or other controversial subjects he gets kinda extreme in labelling people, he's lowkey about it but he'd basically throw something out there about how he thinks you're bigoted or racist and I think it's in poor taste to tackle conversations that are supposed to be civil and mature in such a way so most the time I'd be criticizing him and sometimes I give him penalty if he's going overboard with it. Lastly, he began to demonize Yiffy conveniently after becoming more associated with Spin and assisted Spin in doing the things I explained being so headstrong in the same way you are about being in the way of questioning Spin about these things.

I've banned Talon many times before and I don't think there was ever a time when I faced much objection, heck people wanted me to ban him when I wanted to give him a fair chance in the past to set himself straight knowing he's young and inexperienced. And now all of a sudden I ban Talon for doing all the things mentioned when he's taunting at me and others in my midterms week where things possibly looked the worst they've been in that decade of my life, the reward I got for doing what I found suitable as a moderator is you guys rallying up hordes on VC and coming at me all at once with people who have no business in this being involved like Rah and Natsu being all like "you damn tyrant how could you do this to poor little talon? #freetalon", whether you intended for it or not you guys made people's opinion on me worsen and I just couldn't give a single shit after that point so I told you guys make your own chat and get lost if you don't like how things are. Unsurprisingly Spin took advantage of that, he's been longing for this opportunity for years as hinted by many interactions between us, namely one time when I was being sad about the chat's state and said I wish I could stop being an admin and he was excited to make the suggestion of taking over for me saying "Ideally, I'd take everything you made and build upon it". That's something I didn't mind at all at the beginning of it but then it turned into a gossip ground for you guys and all of a sudden people like Naid and Natsu who should have nothing to do with anything of these matters are saying some mad shit about me. By all measures you guys were the ones who mishandled this situation and made it into the mess it is.

I said it a thousand times and I'll say it again, you know I don't agree with Chris' rage and I even talk to him about it and threaten to ban at times. I just don't see a reason to turn around and juggle controlling his behavior with trying to get Spin, Talon or you to piss off because the other side is simply way more pressing and causing immediate and big disturbance to the chat. Many have said alongside me that the chat was in a state of relative peace until Spin made his return to cleanse us.

I'm not jumping the gun about anything I'm only taking action when the intentions of the individual are clear from their actions and I don't need a middleman to confirm things I've already talked to people about or make me second guess things that are obvious and where benefit of the doubt doesn't even apply.

The thing with your questions is that they're either rhetorical to where you're trying to make say the points you're trying to tell me and repeat the supposed question until I do that or about things that don't matter to you. You tell me even though I'm an admin I don't have to be involved in everything but then you go and get involved in this and ask about all the details concerning this just so you can greenlight what I'm doing as an admin. It'd be one thing if you came to me privately and asking about things out of curiosity but you do this interrupting my talk with Spin or whoever and putting me on the spot with things that I already went over for the person concerned just to satisfy your own curiosity or something.

As far as I can see you already saw for yourself that what I was saying about Tam wasn't baseless deductions based on whatever, I just saw sooner and it took you seeing it for yourself I suppose.

The best way is as I've mentioned, you PM me and ask why I think the way, being in my face about any time I'm trying to get things straight with someone doesn't help me and makes me frustrated with it happening nonstop and so often.

I can't deny what you don't tell me, I explain things the way I see them and how I view the way people handled this situation and you just respond to me with variations of "it's not how you think it is" or "why do you think so?". Kind of tiresome.

I explained my problem with Talon above and he's with no doubt causing more problems in doing what I mentioned than chris' random rage. Honesty is not a Talon trait at all, being bluntly mean-spirited does not mean you're transparent with your intentions. The treatment does not come unprompted, it's a response.

The problems keep happening because people like you and the other two poke my face and demand to know things in the moment I'm trying to handle things and keep interrupting the flow of things and if I don't give you an answer you pout and start advocating for the other side just because I'm appearing unreasonable to you.

I don't understand how you even have the face to comment on me or us saying anything about luna considering it's what you guys started and didn't stop until we had to tell you we knew you were doing that. We only gave you a taste of your own medicine.

The chat would've forgotten about Spin had he not given himself the spotlight once again by doing childish shit, I'm sure he's digging the attention and it even blossomed into him getting the chat he so longed for by turning people of nova on one another.

There's not much said about you really, it's mostly about the concerned people in lunastorm. I already touched upon the gripes many people and I have with the way you approach shit and what eventually led to us judging your character because of repeating these offenses, regrettably.

The difference between people agreeing with me and those who agree with you is that a lot of the people who agree with me were completely neutral to start with, I don't think you can say Mitch or Shaun were heavily involved at the beginning of this or really had any opinions before things got more out of hand. The luna guys on the other hand are really what this is all about to begin with; Spin's opinion counts for so little considering he's the bomb that set all of this off, you and Talon were on his side before this even started, Naid has some kinda traumatizing experience or whatever that made her react emotionally and with the right condiments from Spin Yiffy was quickly changed from a friend to a monster in her view. Idk what the fuck Stew is on about, but he said he's on nobody's side in general 3 so I won't count him being in favor of you guys barring sharing screens from nova for unknown reasons.

How much you agree with Spin on that statement and on inviting people does not matter, I was talking about how Spin was awful for doing that not that you have to take the responsibility for him. I just mentioned it for you to acknowledge that someone who goes to this lengths getting a "twisted satisfaction" can't be a person who changed for the better, and even if he went back on that and his accusations towards Yiffy in the span of 2 months he's still up to the same thing in different ways.

This is all I have to say about all this and I think I took good in care in addressing most if not all things you've mentioned so please don't say I was ignoring your points or not reading.

Tamicat wrote:I'm not that different from who I used to be - I don't really like breaking character but even with the things I hold a grudge over - I don't enjoy the state of things with everyone split down the middle. I could write paragraphs on it but it's already so over complicated.

I've burnt a lot of bridges with things and people I cared about in my life over things that shouldn't matter and now I can't fix them. I don't know if you would care about any advice I have for you considering our past but... I wouldn't recommend taking the same path just to have your hill to die on. I've given people I cared about ultimatums because of what was important to me but it's.. honestly really depressing and isolating to feel your connections slip away just because you couldn't take a hit to your pride. Everyone at Nova wants to take this stance of "Well, we're better off without them anyway if that's how they're gonna be" - I know for a fact at the very least Mado is saddened to lose the friendship he used to have with you. It is more peaceful and I guess that benefits me but it wouldn't feel right to just cut people like you or talon out forever and not give you way back in. Even if you leave I feel like the door should be left open because time changes feelings and opinions a lot, things we care about today aren't things we'll care about a year later. The biggest things I cared about were Jess, spin and yiffy because it felt like I lost the ability to really interact with them like I used to ever again and now it can't be fixed. I don't think you want the same to happen between yourself and Mado.

Onox and Link have been critical of you Char but also... since when do you take them so serious? Onox still enjoys you around obviously and link... changes his mind on things a lot. I don't think you should take things like that to heart. You never used to care much about the harsh criticism and thoughts I had of you, at least that's how it felt. So it's genuinely surprising to me to hear you say how much grief it caused you over the years.

I'm not burning any bridges it's the other end that is doing it while refusing to let go of their pride. If I wanted to break connections I would not be here. I wasn't taking people like onox seriously moreso the main people that were involved put these things into effect. Even though Link's opinion doesn't really matter to me because he's clueless most the time he's still a vital member that people will often take words from as well as somebody who I considered a friend even though he backstabs like 90% of the time and I just finally had enough of it. 

I don't care about criticism I care about my name being spread around in the wrong manner. Again would have been gone if I was to be offended by something like that.  I have always cared about what's going on but never let it break me down that hard until now. People have their limits.

Mado wrote:I only responded to you paragraph by paragraph because when I don't do that you say I'm not reading or ignoring some of your points.

I have given you permissions to the old general, it's untouched and quite the same way it was before I moved it to the archive so be so kind as to copy the bit where we said things we don't already say and wanna "hide".

So but then the question concerning Spin is, why exactly do you try to defend him from our hostility? In the last time he returned before he made lunastorm he was talking about how Yiffy is a predator, how Tam is actually a catfish male, mocking me once again for my lifestyle and choices and also putting some people under weird stereotypes because of their quirks and being "less normal" so to say.

How far does he have to go before we can respond in kind? And doesn't it make more sense for you to stop him for me doing the very things that cause hostility instead of taking turns at nagging him and asking us rhetoric questions about why we treat him this way? It was very clear he's the source of the problem and if he had stopped and Tam, Chris or even me were to continue it would be unjustifiable for us and something could be said but that's not what happened then, hence why I was so stubborn at being in his face and sometimes losing control of my emotions with him.

Talon was in Nova before you were when it was mad for possibly an entire year, my approach towards him is not new and has been so ever since I've known him save for the times he was chill. Talon is a problem because of several things, he harasses people he doesn't deem up to his standards in intelligence level and other things, it extends to more than just Drago and has been happening since I've known him if he's stopped a few times to not get banned. When he argues with political stances or other controversial subjects he gets kinda extreme in labelling people, he's lowkey about it but he'd basically throw something out there about how he thinks you're bigoted or racist and I think it's in poor taste to tackle conversations that are supposed to be civil and mature in such a way so most the time I'd be criticizing him and sometimes I give him penalty if he's going overboard with it. Lastly, he began to demonize Yiffy conveniently after becoming more associated with Spin and assisted Spin in doing the things I explained being so headstrong in the same way you are about being in the way of questioning Spin about these things.

I've banned Talon many times before and I don't think there was ever a time when I faced much objection, heck people wanted me to ban him when I wanted to give him a fair chance in the past to set himself straight knowing he's young and inexperienced. And now all of a sudden I ban Talon for doing all the things mentioned when he's taunting at me and others in my midterms week where things possibly looked the worst they've been in that decade of my life, the reward I got for doing what I found suitable as a moderator is you guys rallying up hordes on VC and coming at me all at once with people who have no business in this being involved like Rah and Natsu being all like "you damn tyrant how could you do this to poor little talon? #freetalon", whether you intended for it or not you guys made people's opinion on me worsen and I just couldn't give a single shit after that point so I told you guys make your own chat and get lost if you don't like how things are. Unsurprisingly Spin took advantage of that, he's been longing for this opportunity for years as hinted by many interactions between us, namely one time when I was being sad about the chat's state and said I wish I could stop being an admin and he was excited to make the suggestion of taking over for me saying "Ideally, I'd take everything you made and build upon it". That's something I didn't mind at all at the beginning of it but then it turned into a gossip ground for you guys and all of a sudden people like Naid and Natsu who should have nothing to do with anything of these matters are saying some mad shit about me. By all measures you guys were the ones who mishandled this situation and made it into the mess it is.

I said it a thousand times and I'll say it again, you know I don't agree with Chris' rage and I even talk to him about it and threaten to ban at times. I just don't see a reason to turn around and juggle controlling his behavior with trying to get Spin, Talon or you to piss off because the other side is simply way more pressing and causing immediate and big disturbance to the chat. Many have said alongside me that the chat was in a state of relative peace until Spin made his return to cleanse us.

I'm not jumping the gun about anything I'm only taking action when the intentions of the individual are clear from their actions and I don't need a middleman to confirm things I've already talked to people about or make me second guess things that are obvious and where benefit of the doubt doesn't even apply.

The thing with your questions is that they're either rhetorical to where you're trying to make say the points you're trying to tell me and repeat the supposed question until I do that or about things that don't matter to you. You tell me even though I'm an admin I don't have to be involved in everything but then you go and get involved in this and ask about all the details concerning this just so you can greenlight what I'm doing as an admin. It'd be one thing if you came to me privately and asking about things out of curiosity but you do this interrupting my talk with Spin or whoever and putting me on the spot with things that I already went over for the person concerned just to satisfy your own curiosity or something.

As far as I can see you already saw for yourself that what I was saying about Tam wasn't baseless deductions based on whatever, I just saw sooner and it took you seeing it for yourself I suppose.

The best way is as I've mentioned, you PM me and ask why I think the way, being in my face about any time I'm trying to get things straight with someone doesn't help me and makes me frustrated with it happening nonstop and so often.

I can't deny what you don't tell me, I explain things the way I see them and how I view the way people handled this situation and you just respond to me with variations of "it's not how you think it is" or "why do you think so?". Kind of tiresome.

I explained my problem with Talon above and he's with no doubt causing more problems in doing what I mentioned than chris' random rage. Honesty is not a Talon trait at all, being bluntly mean-spirited does not mean you're transparent with your intentions. The treatment does not come unprompted, it's a response.

The problems keep happening because people like you and the other two poke my face and demand to know things in the moment I'm trying to handle things and keep interrupting the flow of things and if I don't give you an answer you pout and start advocating for the other side just because I'm appearing unreasonable to you.

I don't understand how you even have the face to comment on me or us saying anything about luna considering it's what you guys started and didn't stop until we had to tell you we knew you were doing that. We only gave you a taste of your own medicine.

The chat would've forgotten about Spin had he not given himself the spotlight once again by doing childish shit, I'm sure he's digging the attention and it even blossomed into him getting the chat he so longed for by turning people of nova on one another.

There's not much said about you really, it's mostly about the concerned people in lunastorm. I already touched upon the gripes many people and I have with the way you approach shit and what eventually led to us judging your character because of repeating these offenses, regrettably.

The difference between people agreeing with me and those who agree with you is that a lot of the people who agree with me were completely neutral to start with, I don't think you can say Mitch or Shaun were heavily involved at the beginning of this or really had any opinions before things got more out of hand. The luna guys on the other hand are really what this is all about to begin with; Spin's opinion counts for so little considering he's the bomb that set all of this off, you and Talon were on his side before this even started, Naid has some kinda traumatizing experience or whatever that made her react emotionally and with the right condiments from Spin Yiffy was quickly changed from a friend to a monster in her view. Idk what the fuck Stew is on about, but he said he's on nobody's side in general 3 so I won't count him being in favor of you guys barring sharing screens from nova for unknown reasons.

How much you agree with Spin on that statement and on inviting people does not matter, I was talking about how Spin was awful for doing that not that you have to take the responsibility for him. I just mentioned it for you to acknowledge that someone who goes to this lengths getting a "twisted satisfaction" can't be a person who changed for the better, and even if he went back on that and his accusations towards Yiffy in the span of 2 months he's still up to the same thing in different ways.

This is all I have to say about all this and I think I took good in care in addressing most if not all things you've mentioned so please don't say I was ignoring your points or not reading.

I defend him from your hostility because it's simply wrong. From within chat outside of whatever wrong thing he has done, he's been peaceful and trying not to uprise the conflict further. Tam, Link, yourself, ect has stayed on this constant weird explosion of hatred out of nowhere when it was hugely unnecessary. Yes I'm aware of all of his wrongdoings but he literally doesn't deserve that level of hostility when he isn't even consistently doing something bad to make sense of y'all's behavior. A lot of added things he's said/done with yall is directly BECAUSE of your own hostility. Also it's to bring to your attention how foolish and childish your looking within chat. It's concerning and doesn't look healthy at all to have such great focus of hatred on one person. You keep confusing my acion as if I am on his side and agreeing with him and keep sticking to that. This is one of the reasons why clarity is a hella important factor before jumping in with only your own thoughts. 

I've already posted in other posts saying how I've confronted Spin about what I believe was wrong. Also again has also mentioned multiple times that Spin has been the source of the problem.

Well despite all that  it doesn't matter still how your actions toward Talon is a personal problem between you both with conflicting views. I feel like saying Talon harrasses people is a huge stretch and shows how you don't keep up with his growth as a person. Talon is very honest and doesn't hold back his thoughts. That doesn't mean he's malicious. In the past Talon would purposely approach situations to be mean or attempt leading people away and such but that isn't how he is now. Not saying I agree with his approaches but his intents are not what you believe them to be. With Drago he just wants to understand him better as well as help him in social areas that he feels is needed. So in conclusion with Talon this is my own personal view of him, not here to convert your mindset of him either so I'm leaving this subject at that.

I've never been a part of the ban Talon group so cant relate. I'm not the same as other nova people.

Never said you agreed with him just that you handle it poorly in my opinion.

The fact you still have the notion to believe something is clear proves how venerable you are to mistakes when dealing with issues. Not everything is as simple to analyze as you believe it to be.

I never said that you can't be provided information, just that you're not a priority to me, just the same as how you go about it. Thing is though the reason I bring it up is because you believe you're so important that you don't like providing information when asked as if you're a vital member yourself. I always provided whenever you or anyone asked about things. I've never gotten upset at you or anyone else who seemed to have additional information about things because it doesn't make sense to. It's only insulting when asking and then told "you don't need to know" when you yourself don't need to know either. Your position doesn't matter when it comes to personal situations.

Why should I believe something that never was presented to me? All she's been was negative towards me. If you saw things through my eyes you'd understand this perspective. 

Yes it's normal for anybody to come up with their own deductions initially. That's when it's time for the other person to inform you with much more accurate information. You only stop at step one. Of course I'll continue to say these things especially when you refuse to take in information and continue to believe just yourself. 

I'll admit that I'm a problem with adding to the confusion but this isn't just some small group that's he issue. It clearly everyone that's the problem in this, including yourself. Problems cycle because people refuse to want to go through things properly and in the end nothing ever gets resolved. Not trying to say it's your fault problems don't resolve it's just that you don't know how to. I don't either because most of Nova have so many scattered ways they feel things have to go down.

You'll have to read again about what i said about Luna because there's nothing I need to change of it. What I've said is exactly what Luna is and already explained about the process of how things went down within it. 

I'm not on a side. I'm not sure how outsiders coming into a conflict that isn't theirs means anything in this. This is a matter that should be focused between the main people. I try my best not to acknowledge the others since It's not really fair to involve them and stress them over an issue that is a huge misunderstanding. It's unfortunate that Redon, Stew, and such got involved in the crossfire of things but I didn't suck them into this. 

Again not going to try to convince you about Spin. I'm done speaking of him if both you and I are set on how we view him at this point. Not here to preach how Spin is good person.

I only say you don't read when you say something and the answer was already in one of my posts.

I'm only trying to keep it brief from now on since I'm now in Kuwait and the wifi is weird and lots of things are happening. Don't have much time to really construct posts so if i miss anything now i apologize.

Well, I think his wrongdoings call for that and maybe more so we're just gonna disagree on that forever really, which is why you should've stopped bothering me about it from the get go.

I don't really care in the slightest how I look for randoms who look at nova from an outside perspective, I wanna do right by people and if one person is being a selfish guy who just puts the whole chat in a state of uncomfort for his own goals and satisfaction I'm gonna be on his ass about it and whoever doesn't like it can just go elsewhere. I think it's some major bullshit that you say the hostility began from my or whatever party I'm supposed in's side when we were literally minding our business and vibing in nova trying to be friends and then this guy just waltz in, flips the chat outside down with cancel culture and then takes some people with him and bails. There's no agreement to be had on this no matter how much you try to downplay his fuck-up.

"Well, you explained why you think Talon is giving bad vibes in the chat but I don't personally find that wrong so whatever it's just personal to you.", so much for honest when he's slaving for force one time and assisting powergrab chats 10 other times. I caught him bloody handed multiple times after he's promised me he wouldn't do the things I begged him not to do and it amounts to nothing. If he wants to show that he's improved and matured as a person maybe for a start he needs to learn some tolerance for all and not treating people who seem lesser to him as inferior at least not so openly, it just makes him look pathetic and I've kinda got in a fight with JD about something like this too before. Cut out that crap Talon literally makes fun of Drago and I swear to almighty god sometimes he asks me quite literally why I still keep him around, if you wanna just have his word for what's supposedly right of his situation you can but I don't just buy lies.

Yeah, at that point you really didn't get involved in much and just watched things happen and I wish you'd go back to being that way cause once you learned to try and do something about the drama nothing good came of it.

I'm handling it in the most sensible way dealing with the person who's causing the disturbance to begin with and then turning to see what I can do about the other people who're acting up.

"The fact you still have the notion to believe something is clear proves how venerable you are to mistakes when dealing with issues. Not everything is as simple to analyze as you believe it to be." I don't think it's simple and that's why I don't just have your word for it.

Well, then be out of my priorities and step aside when I'm trying to do something right for the chat, I don't like to sound like I'm full of myself and that's not the manner of speaking I usually take with people, it just happens when people are deadset on having things their way and no else. Where does this "you think you're important" coming from? It's honestly insulting, you're getting implications that aren't there even though you hate when people assume shit about you, I just dunno why you never practice what you preach, man. If I thought I was so "important" I would've brushed you aside and gave you a temp ban or something each time you start to put your nose where it doesn't belong but I valued you being able to voice your input even when you were very unreasonable. I can't help feeling responsible to let my voice be heard when it comes to conflicts between friends it's something I've done all my life and I'm not gonna have somebody assume I'm self entitled or overly confident just because I take a firm stance with things that require so. Please stop that "you think you're a hotshot" crap cause it comes off as pathetic.

I don't believe only what I see in front of me and neither should you, we're adults with social skills and we should know the right people to go to ask about things, I've talked to Spin, Tam, Yiffy and all people that are usually involved in whatever situation that's taking place in that time extensively in pms about what's happening and by piecing together what I hear from them with the events in the chat as well as the opinions I get from other uninvolved parties I form my own opinion. I don't need to consult your excellency for the final verdict or let you know on each little thing I found out since you don't wanna do the same so it'd have been nice if you just stopped poking my ass about it.

I'm well aware that I'm not free of blame or fault for mishandling the situation in multiple ways. I'm sure we all could've handled it in a more mature way but you have to consider the fatigue and negativity that built up from all the things I discussed in this thread, even if I was vulgar and brash about how I was approaching this I still only wanted people to have peace of mind free from the troubles of Spin at the end of it.

I don't care what Luna is I just wish you guys would fully separate yourselves and spare us all the trouble in the future. Enjoy your time over there and get nova out of your minds cause being deadset on convincing me of the opposite of what I've confirmed won't amount to a thing.

I hope your trip was safe, take it easy.

If you don't care how you look and how it effects your chat then that's alright I can't say anymore against it. Just don't try saying that me trying to address hostility was a bad thing because it's completely understandable for me and anybody else to show concern for people to act like this especially since the other end is being peaceful in the presence of the chat. Just because your enemies are doing wrong does it justify you retaliating with your own acts? By this logic I'm completely justified by my recent actions as well.

This is what I mean when I say you ignore growth and are blind to the difference from his past and current self. What does how Talon did things with force have to do with this? He was different back then and Talon himself even came forward and was like "yeah i followed them and such." Again can't change the fact that you see things this way if you're stuck to the idea of this so not going to go anymore forward with this.

The same applies to you about drama. This is partially what i mean when i say your job isn't to handle personal affairs. Just like me you don't need to involve yourself and have the ability to just let them sort their own things out directing the issue out of the community. You also add hella confusion and problems when you jump into things too. It's not only me and whoever u believe so.

Again unlike you when i assume i don't label it as fact. I'm assuming purposely to get a response on my thoughts to gain clarity. This is something you should do. 

Why should I step aside? This is what i mean when i believe you feel you're more important. This isn't your issue and I have every right to step in with my own opinion and information on matters. If you want to do your thing without feeling like I'm in the way then lead your direction elsewhere. You're not the only person with the intent on making the community a better space for others so stop believing you're alone in that. Most others jump into things with the same mindset and instead of working with you work against them because you are quick to believe people just want more chaos. I wouldn't think of you as a hotshot if you stop making situations where you're like "Hey I can handle this nobody else is capable of doing it" especially when you haven't really handled anything in the first place. 

Just because you do these things to form your opinion doesn't mean others can't do the same. We also associate with those people and have the right to know what's going on if people wish to know. 

That's the point Luna is deadass completely separate which is what I'm trying to keep telling you. If you looked at the server right now the war hq is gone as well as any other Nova drama is disappeared. As I've stated before it was not even spin's idea to bring nova up in luna, it was mine. His intentions wasn't to make Luna into an anti nova server but you'll never believe this anyways which is fine doesn't matter either.